Biking vs Running

[robj]

Agree with the lower resting heart rate for cyclists (however, note that this is at elite level ie Tour de France standard so you can consider many of those cyclists as gentic freaks), however, the highest VO2 max scores have been attributed to cross country skiers and runners not cyclists

If you are comparing like for like. e.g. a regular runner of these forums and an average cyclists then I would bet that the cyclists has a lower HR and a higher v02max.

Also attainable VO2 max scores between running and cycling differ by between 7-10% in favour of running

Care to explain how you worked this out?

in trained cyclists their VO2 is equivalent or higher than when running

He trains professional cyclists so I would agree more with what he said than any kid of here.

[quote="TJD']You will still get a good Aerobic workout from cycling.[/quote]

And you can also get just as much of an anaerobic workout from cycling as running.

Ive never found cycling hard, even when my heart rate is way up

Are you being serious? If you clued up on your training and gained some mental strength then you will finally be able to see what proper training consists of.

Im sorry, I just think cycling is pointless unless your comming back from an injury, To get fitter on the bike it takes hours of riding each day to improve alot... With running all u have to do is half hour a day to get fitter.

Again. A stupid statement. Hours each day to improve alot? So what about those interval sessions which can include:

10 minute warm up (same as running)
10 x 2 minute with 3 minutes recover
10 minute warm down (same as running)

So that equals just under one hour. So basically the same as running?


Yes ok, running will get your heart rate up quicker because of you using a larger amount of muscles. Like the stupid guy above, if you go out 'cycling' you may not get that tired. But that is only because you are not putting in the effort. Why not stop hanging about and try doing it properly?

When you are out running and trying to set a new PB for 3miles you will probably see your HR around the 95% of max. Now go out on your bike and cycle at the same HR. I bet you won't come back onto here and say cycling is easy. (I assume you guys that say running is better for you do have a HR monitor? And have tested your theory out?)

If you think running at 90% of your v02max is better for you (CV wise) than cycling at 90% v02max, would you care to explain to me why? Yes it may 'feel' harder because you are using a larger variety of muscles but that isnt what we are talking about. At the end of the day you are making your CV system work exactly the same so therefore the benefits are the same.

I really can't be arsed with narrowminded people who dont know what they are saying

[speed freek]

oh stop getting your panties in a bunch, I have a different oppinion, Live with it.

I used to ride to work (6 miles each way!) every day for 2 years, After a few weeks its not that difficult even when i pushed myself, Now it was around this time that job ended and i decided i wanted a diff career (which brings me here) but the point is, i had to start running and i was terrible at it. I could ride a bike at a quick pace for many miles yet couldn't do one running mile in under 7 mins when i first started. So you tell me, what use exactly is it being fast on a bike when as far as i know, Riding a bike isnt part of RM training? Im not saying being able to ride 20 miles in 15 mins or whatever isnt beneficial, Its just i found riding about 10 times easier than running ever was and potential royal marines would be a damn side fitter if they could run 3 miles in under 20 mins rather than the bike equivilant distance.

Oh yeah, Quit the insults aswell, Im not narrowminded so stop getting into a hissy fit because i dont agree with what your saying.

[robj]

In basic training you do a lot of load carrying / speed marching. Do you do this in your training in preparation for your PRMC? To get passed the PRMC you just need to have a reasonably good level of fitness with a heck of alot of determination, and believe me mental strength/determination plays a HUGE part in cycling.

The reason this thread was started was because he wanted to know if cycling could get him as fit as running and the answer to that is yes. He has had injuries in the past from running so I would defiently recommend running 2/3times a week and cycling 2/3times. Atleast just to begin with.

Oh and sorry I had to laugh at the way you said '6 miles each way!' So 10 minutes warming up (2 very slow miles with easy spinning) and 10 minutes warming down. So this leaves you 2 miles for hard riding? lol 5minutes? Unless ofcourse you didnt do the warm up/down and rode hard for all 6 (6!?!!) miles. But ofcourse you wouldn't do that as you know about fitness training when it comes to cycling/running.

Sorry im not in a mood because of you disagreeing with me but because I am fed up with stupid information being given out

[speed freek]

Oh and sorry I had to laugh at the way you said '6 miles each way!' So 10 minutes warming up (2 very slow miles with easy spinning) and 10 minutes warming down. So this leaves you 2 miles for hard riding? lol 5minutes? Unless ofcourse you didnt do the warm up/down and rode hard for all 6 (6!?!!) miles. But ofcourse you wouldn't do that as you know about fitness training when it comes to cycling/running.

Thankyou, you just proved my point. 6 (12) miles of riding is NOTHING, you need to ride vast distances on a bike to get fitter, and ofcourse no warmups were done or warm downs, I rode the bike to get from A to B as quick as i could most times, I didn't have an interest in the military or to get fit at that time.

Mr.obnoxious now are ya ? Just out of interest because your taking the pi$$ saying i think i know everything, Who exactly are you to comment on these matters ? I mean if you was a PTI i could take you more seriously but as it stands you sound no more qualified to make these statments than me. oh my god forget it, I cant believe someone is telling me cycling is as good as running, its LAUGHABLE! Have you done a PRMC at all ? those bottom field sprints will make you feel pains you never DREAMED of on a bike..... ahhh nevermind, see ya on another thread, keep cycling, I'll keep running.

[robj]

Care to quote me on saying 'running isn't as good as cycling'?

Thankyou, you just proved my point. 6 (12) miles of riding is NOTHING, you need to ride vast distances on a bike to get fitter

Again this proves you don't know what you are talking about. Obviously you will need more than 5minutes of proper cycling to get fit and the same goes for running. But you do not need to ride vast distances to get fitter. Distances have nothing to do with it. Its what you do while exercising that does. Are you saying a 10mile time trial race on a road bike (in around 25minutes) is not as beneficial as a 25minute 3.5/4mile run?

Christ I've been coming to this site less and less and people like you are the reason why.


Oh and no I am not a PTI and I dont have any qualifications in fitness training so I dont give any advice on stuff which I dont know about. Like many people, in a wide range of different subjects, I am self-taught. Instead of hanging about a forum and asking stupid question after question I actually go out and search for articles, buy books, read tutorials, read many different posts on a large number of forums to see if I can find some helpful and accurate information.

Just because I am not a professional in the field of fitness does not mean I am stupid. I taught myself a range of subjects because, unlike some people, I want to improve my knowledge on anything that I can. I suggest you do the same. I do not claim to be know everything as I obviously don't, but it doesn't mean I can't correct someone if they are wrong.


EDIT: oh and care to find any bit of text in what I have wrote that you think is wrong? Or completely useless? All I did was write a post saying how someone can not say running is alot better than cycling or that you HAVE to cycle 3 times the distance compared to runing to get the same effect.

[robj]

I cant believe someone is telling me cycling is as good as running, its LAUGHABLE!

F&*King moron. Ive had it with this place. If you are new to this site and looking for information regarding training then have a look for some threads made by the older members last year (langorroti (sp?) and other people) and search across on different running/cycling websites.

[wato212]

Speed freek i really wonldn't waste my time with this guy, he seems to think that he knows everythink, and for your information running is alot harder then cycling, cycling is good for recovery and to break up your training program but that is it, as someone said 'if you want to be good at running,run'. If cycling works for you great, but don't force your opinion on everyone else, end off.

[beardo]

Ive been on these forums for a few monthsand its gone from a good place to get some advice and ask some people who know what they're talking about, to little kids pissing people off and trying to defend their pointlessly stupid post and opinions...

[wato212]

Who are you talking about?
P.S i to wish all the best to robj iam sure he is a good guy he just couldn't see other peoples points and was to defensive sometimes. shame.

[speed freek]

lol the guy couldn't take it that i had a different oppinion, Is that my fault ? asking for his account to be deleted over this... my god its too funny, Anyway yeah good luck to him, hope he doesn't get like this in real life when someone disagrees with him.

Next time i'll just agree with everyone sticky, ok? What a great forum that'll be.