RAF Police Forum

[stever]

this must be a first on this forum

no interuptions from

pre joinin up eejits

good post

[Wholley]

Why not just have a general Rozzers forum.
That way we could nick people from all over the world.
Kind of a Military Interpol
No worries Harry,your safe....

[macster]

To the RAFP contingent. Can you please take a look at my post on p2 of this post:

http://www.militaryforums.co.uk/cforums ... c&start=15

Ignore the context as I am not bringing it up to start bun fight but I am genuinely interested to find out what became of the plods involved. Thought you lad's might of heard about this one.

Cheers

[Flintham Block1]

Well that all made an interesting read !!!! I don't know about the incident to which you refer, so can't help there. Some of the comments on that thread are so seriously wide of the mark it is unbelievable as are the comments made by the ex RMP. "Barrier up/Barrier Down" ??? I have done one tour in 18 years where I had to do control of entry, what I have had is an extremely varied career, have done some very good and valuable courses byt strangely I have never tried to do somebody for having too many socks!!!! We will always attract adverse comment due to our jobs, and I am the first to admit we have some right knobbers in the job, but I do object to my trade being attributed to a load of shite that was written there!!

[Hostage_Negotiator]

Macster, had a peep at the link and don't have any knowledge of the incidents you refer to nor or the outcome. Although after almost 17 yrs in the trade I do believe that I'm Q'd to comment on the posts in general. The attitude put across by yourself and Rob is not typical of the air force in general and the majority of RAFP can and do socialise outwith their trade (They would not be able to do this if they were all " tossers") Like any trade we have our share of muppets and they tend to be sorted pretty quickly! Yes bad eggs will always exist, however they tend to be the exception rather than the norm. As far as P&SS go I personally have never served with them other than on Traffic in RAFG, I would rather not comment on their particular idea of dress sense as it would appear that most of themseem to have a charge card for the Thrift Shop but they are slowly getting better and any day now are in danger of losing their "Men in Cheap Suits" callsign. As far as the scope of RAFP duties go the scope is only limited at the bottom of the rank structure with the majority of duties being GPD ( thanks to Core Policing Policy, RAFP will no longer man COE posts, as a rule this will be carried out by MPGS) this will allow RAFP to concentrate on the more traditional copper's role which they have always carried out in addition to any other tasks. A/Cpls can specialise in various roles such as Air Transport Security, Service Police Search Operator, Dog Handler ( PAT, SPD ) and routinely carry out Close Protection duties in every theatre that we as a nation have an interest. Once promoted to sub Cpl the opportunities to specialise become greater and areas such as Counter Intelligence, Special Investigation, Computer Security, SOCO, Forensic Analyst, Sig Int, Hum Int, Source Handler, Specialist Surveillance Operator, Explosive Search and Drugs Search Dog Handler and Home Office Defensive Tactics Instr ( who in the very near future will take over the Baton & Cuff training of all RMP due to them not complying with HO directives!). There are other duties and roles which RAFP carry out that aren't really open for discussion on this forum. To reply to Goldies comments I have worked with and trained alongside RMP many times and have found in the main the opposite to be true as the average RAFP subby has at least 10-12 yrs service and has a much greater wealth of experience than an RMP Sgt who in all probability has much less time in. He may be pleased to note that for several years now the majority of Force Cdrs & VIPAR's now specifically request RAFP CP cover in preference to RMP. Whilst OOA the RMP tend to remain in a GPD and training ( Local / Indigenous Police Force ) role, tasks such as High Risk Convoy Escort and Patrolling are routinely carried out TPW (Tactical Police Wing) whose role is so varied I won't even begin to start listing them here suffice to say they are an extremely well trained highly professional and well motivated unit who to date have accomplished successfully every task set them and have been involved in numerous actions where they have performed with valour and distinction ( a fact now recognised by MOD as several members of the unit have been decorated for actions above and beyond!)
Talking of medals you would only have to glance at the ribbons of some of those serving to be left in no doubt as to their experience, commitment and dedication! As a rule RMP only tend to work along side their own national element whereas RAFP routinely serve on IMP duties where they are always at the forefront. As a sub Cpl I personally was employed as a Shift Cdr in a Former Yugoslavian country and had under my control upto 12 policemen and women from 11 countries some of whom were WO2 and WO1 equivelant ( OR9 ). This was at the direction of a Scandinavian Provost Marshal! and is not uncommon. As for comments which have posted of late about the role of the RAF Regt. They have never carried out Close Protection duties and in all likelyhood never will. During Op Telic a certain camp which housed only SF personnel was initially protected by the rocks however at the request of the SF Cdr they were replaced by TPW who have since been requested by that same unit to carry out that and similar tasks in support of them! Furthermore the RAFP Intelligence & Security Sqn has all but taken over the role previously carried out by 3 Sqn RAF Regt in N.I. I 'm not knocking the gunners as they are very good at what they do and I count many of them as good friends and have drank in their bars just as they have drank in mine! The infamous rivalry between rocks and coppers mainly exists in the meomories of those long out of the service and those of other trades who know no better, ther will always be a healthy rivalry but thats all it is as the majority of both trades who have worked in close proximity respect what the other is capable of those who don't tend to be speaking from position of little or no experience. Many RAFP have worked alongside and with SF of several nations and have always been complemented on their professionalism and can do attitude! The RAFP provide more manpower to SD than any other trade in the RAF. I know I've gone on a bit but it pisses me off when people slag us off from an ill informed position, another thing to think about is that the majority of people who do bare a grudge against us must have been doing something to come to our attention!

Those that who have done no wrong have nothing to fear from the RAF Police!!!!!!
Thanks for bearing with me ! H_N

[Flintham Block1]

HN -what apost and some very good points well made. I only have one thing to add, I have done a tour on P&SS not so long ago and none of my suits ever came from Burtons or Thrift!!!!!

[Hostage_Negotiator]

Sorry mate, just a spot of light hearted in trade banter to lighten the tone I know most of the guys have moved on nowadays and Matalan are very grateful for their custom!

[JackFrost]

I have many friends on P+SS, i can inform you that most of their suits are from that leading brand Canda, though thinking about it, i think it means C and A but not sure lol.

HN, i have been to stores to get your soap box, ha ha ha also, AFCO wish you make a speech at their next seminar lol.

Joking apart,

Totally agree with HN,
I think the bit about the police having more badges than girl guides relates to the fact that, when interacting so closely with the civilian population of Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi we had to wear armbands with arabic writing on so they could understand who we were.

Along with those stupid RAF badges we have to wear and the Red MP badges, i suppose we did look like it lol.

[Hostage_Negotiator]

Sorry Jack I know I went on a bit but i think it had to said!
Soapbox has been signed back in to stores! apparently it's in demand at the mo!
AFCO my left buttock! bunch of lying twofaced bounty hunting shiny butts!!
Bye the way, has your AFCO app been processed yet? U/T REMF!!!

[macster]

Well informed and constructive reply. A great insight for any wannabe plod. Which is what is invaluable about this site/forums.
…live and let live and all that. Im not in the mob anymore so it doesn’t matter really.
Got better things to worry about – like how many points Super Chelsea are going to win the Premiership by!

What has happened to Goldie by the way? Anyone know?

[Flintham Block1]

Sorry to disagree TJD - HUMINT work is carried out by certain members of the RAFP and not just for investigation purposes.

[macster]

Yeah’ I just plucked that out of the air!

Im no expert but I always thought that you could elect to go for Court Material if you believed that you would better off than accepting the charge.

….and I always thought that it was a serious offence to walk around civvy street with a weapon you are not authorise to have!! This was the charge, as the plod/GC couldn’t prove otherwise..

Jacka