RAF/SF

[gnrgreenhill]

ther's a number of reasons that that wouldn't happen, The reason THe regt was formed was because the RAF coudn't rely on the Army to be able to provide cover for them all the time!

out of intrest were did you hear/read this?

If the Army took over control, then they would have to provide the specific training facilitys required, and these units would be at the beck and call of the RAF anyway. So it would be an excersise in futility!

Some would argue that the future of the forces is one of a joint militry force anyway, hopefully these sweeping winds of change wont be untill ive been in, done my time and am either retired on a 17k a year pension, or im out of the forces drinking and sleeping my way round all the overseas holiday resorts as a scuba instructor!

as for the selection, and paras marines Regt debate, I guess we should all agree to disagree!

Take it easy

[Spooky]

ther's a number of reasons that that wouldn't happen, The reason THe regt was formed was because the RAF coudn't rely on the Army to be able to provide cover for them all the time!

out of intrest were did you hear/read this?

If the Army took over control, then they would have to provide the specific training facilitys required, and these units would be at the beck and call of the RAF anyway. So it would be an excersise in futility!

Some would argue that the future of the forces is one of a joint militry force anyway, hopefully these sweeping winds of change wont be untill ive been in, done my time and am either retired on a 17k a year pension, or im out of the forces drinking and sleeping my way round all the overseas holiday resorts as a scuba instructor!

as for the selection, and paras marines Regt debate, I guess we should all agree to disagree!

Take it easy

green dude, until you've been in, heard it from the horses mouth (like TJD's) and are clued up, i'd recommend you not question what those with experience on this board tell you.

clearly you dont know much about how the military works, give anyone whos served anywhere an hour of your time and i am sure they will share examples of countless "exercices in futility".

hell, why are the marines even a part of the navy, on that notion the paras should be part of the raf - see where im going?

and things can and will happen long before you've been through and out.

with the attitude your taking to the guys here i'd say you are not going to get on with anyone in training who tells you anything you've heard counter to. "yes corporal but my buddy said..." is not going to sit well...

theres no agreeing to disagree yet buddy, until YOU find out for YOURSELF, then i'd say YOU dont know.

take it easy

sp

[Alfa]

as for the selection, and paras marines Regt debate, I guess we should all agree to disagree!

I'll admit I don't know much about the RAF Regiment but I would guess that if your joining up with the idea that you'll be doing the same type of missions as either the Paras or the Marines your going to be very disapointed.

Look at it this way it costs much more to train a marine or para than a regular Infantry man. This is because their specialist role requires them to be extremely good soldiers but the extra cost is worth it because both units are required for specific roles and have proved their value in various conflicts.
Now in order for the RAF Reg to be at the same standard they would have to have the same level of training. Now as well as the extra cost of the initial training you would have to add on the money it would take to maintain these standards. Now what you would end up with is a very expensive unit which isn't used in direct action with the enemy, doesn't bring any new capability and hasn't proved it's self in battle.

In fact, if your talking about taking airfields it's actually duplicating capabilities as the paras spend a lot of money training for TALO etc...

To sum up basically the cost wouldn't be worth it especially with the defense budget as tight as it is.

Well that just my thoughts anyway.

[gnrgreenhill]

The RAF Regt Train for 18 weeks compared to the Armys regular forces of 12. I have It strait from the horses mouth that there CQB training is more substantial. they also have a number of specalist teams! a team from the Regt also walked of with the defender trophy last year!

Im not saying the Regt are better then the Paras or marines, or do the same job as them. I said there on a par with them and equaly
elite
I wouldnt back chat a corporal or any other NCO for that matter coz it would result in a Beasting!

The RAF would surly prefer to keep the Reg in house as they work so closly with the rest of the RAF, not just GDT, but in a number of other dutys!

And I wasnt questioning the validity of the source of the rumor about the army kiddnapping the Regt, I was intrested so that if it was a web site of some sort I could look into it!

So were did you hear/read it?

[stever]

gnrgreenhill

ive been off line for a few days

you are still spoutin BOLLOX

i advise you to accept
the advice from your peers on this forum

i couldnt give a hoot whom you know and dont know

also what the raf regiments role is or how good they are

i think i have grasped what they do

i have some experience

you fecking obviously dont

read up
pass the pgac

do the course

pass the course

get the mudguard

then come back and tell us all

how you did

all your doin at the moment is annoying people

[gnrgreenhill]

also, that stuff about why arn't the paras Raf, and why are the marines with the navy.

For the Paras, the whole airborne thing is purly a means of insertion into a theater of operations,

The marines are with the navy a) because of there proud 3 or 4 hundred year history of sending troops to sea,

And b) because once again its a traditional insertion methode

[Spooky]

green,

army phase 1 is twelve weeks. thats basic army training, all the military skills someone in the army will need.

after that its onto phase 2, usually another 12 weeks. this is trade training, digging holes and more infantry stuff for the teeth, signals stuff for the scaleys, medical stuff for the medics etc etc

that makes 24 weeks in total short of any further training requirements.

i dont know fully about raf regiment training so im not going to compare.

the marine =navy and paras relating to air force was to give you an example of why the RAF regiment may be bought into the army orbat - an example clearly lost on you.

let me explain, the unit context in brackets.

marines = amphibious infantry (navy)
paras = flying infantry (airforce)
raf regiment = ground defencive infantry (army)

BUT! its not like that is it. thus your arguement is null and void because in the forces lots of people do lots of jobs that could be done by another branch.

i and from what i gather everyone else here is getting pissed off with the crap your posting when you dont know. instead of displaying that your taking in what those with experience tell you; you just argue against it.

bin the smiley in the sunglasses, go do a few years and check back.

right now you backchatting many nco's.

[NIWorker]

The RAF police do not have a close protection unit, that is and has for a while been down to the RAF regt.
!

Hmm the word Bollocks springs to mind. RAF Regt have nothing at all to do with CP (Close Protection) RAF Police are the only trade allowed to apply for CP and the CP detachment are based at TPW (Tactical Provost Wing) RAF Henlow.

GnrGreenhill wind your neck in and get some time in

The RAF Regt will be all but disbanded in a few years, will be gone from NI within the next year as we and the RIR are taking over their duties. Plus The Army can take over their Rapier duties, what does that leave? Elite my Ar$e

[Paws4thought]

Gnr you poor ill advised little man.

The Close Protection Units are for the main made up of RAF Police and RMP. These are not FP (Force Protection) which is mainly a RAF Reg role. The CP units are basically bodyguards for cabinet ministers, military commanders. VIPs and such like. Never met a gunner that has done the course.

Now the SAS, are not made up of 70% Regt, as I've heard quoted, its mainly Paras/Engineers/Infantry Regts of the British Army. Yes there may be one or two RAF Regt at the most, met a lot of guys who have failed it from the regt, but never one thats been there.
There are all sorts of trades in the SAS. Criteria is 3 years minimum service in any force, Army,Navy,Airforce. Physically fit and medically fit. Thats about it. For the SBS you must have the same and also have passed the Marine All Arms Commando course, or be a marine from the start.

Do not mix up the Regt with the Para's/Marines. They are the most advanced infantry/combat units in the forces and have a hell of a lot of history. If you ever mention the Regt in the same breath as those two in the wrong pub you will find out just how to eat your food through a straw. You have been warned.
If you do join the RAF I look forward to meeting you, Im an Instructor. Hopefully I can enlighten you as to the Regt's role and not the bullshit you have been fed by the AFCO. I will give you a good piece of info before you come in,
Drop the bullshitting. You may know as many people as you want in the military, and keep your ear to the ground, but we, us people in the military can be the biggest bullshitters to you civvies, we find it funny, and people like you take it in then come on sites like this and try to impress us. Gives us a giggle but makes you look a tit.
Hopefully see you soon.
PS. Will definitely remember the name

[Paws4thought]

Oh and we dont do beasting anymore,
grow up quickly young man or it will be back to McD's.
In fact going by what you have posted, dont bother coming!!!!!!!!!

[doc_holliday]

hiya, I just had to laugh at this fella. Yeah, he does have some knowledge of the military, some things I would have no idea on.
But some of the things he says do stick in my throat:

RAF Regt "Elite" - At every base I served on, there were RAF Regt. Some were very fit and cabbagey - possibly SF material, but that's just my opinion. Most were very average, and would perhaps at most be equivalent to a normal Infantry soldier. Specialist? In some cases, yes but certainly not Elite. And certainly not on a par with Para or RM.

CP - To back up my honourable friend above, CP is carried out by a band of RAFP. I knew some when I was at Aldergrove (That is in N Ireland by the way, Greengrass) and they were certainly not RAF Regt. Not unless RAF Regt now carry Warrant Cards.....

His SF Friends - Having served at a base where SF people operated from, I doubt the autheniticity of his friends. They NEVER talked about their work, period. Anyone that did brag about working in their hangar was obviously a chef or blanket stacker.

I bet Greenback believes everything he reads in the Daily Star/Sport. We used to have great fun with people like you, I really wish you had been an RAFP on my shift - "Container Checks" would have been so much fun!

Do your course, learn your stuff and wind yer neck in!

[Tab]

Greenhill
I wonder if you can list all the RAF Regiments Battle Honors since it's formation, especially those since end the of WW2. As Regiment is so good the list must be endless.

[stever]

"Do your course, learn your stuff and wind yer neck in!"

seems to be a recurring theme ?????