Pezmod
Why thankyou for calling me a C**t. There useful so I have heard.
I have never said I hate the Army. I worked with the Army quite a few times when serving.
On occcasions I was less then impressed with certain elements of the Army and also very impressed with other elements. The RA and the RE a case in point. Very good at what they do.
As Sticky Blue pointed out the average Army recruit is considered trained enough to serve after 12 weeks.
Half my family are or where in the Army. My Cousin is a S/Sgt in the RHA. Another cousin is a Major in the RLC attached to the MOD in London. My Bro-in-Law served 22 years in the REME. Both my grandfathers served in the ARMY. Not concripts but regulars before the 2nd world war, during it and after it. Me Mum and Dad were both PTI's in the RAF. In fact the Army and RAF have always been part of my life. I was a service Bratt in fact.
I had always wanted to join the Royal Marines since I can remember and yes as a young Bootneck I was indoctrinated with the view that the Army where second best but as I got older and I hope wiser I came to realise that each to their own and never became a fulltime Cap Badge/Beret Colour is all that counts kind off person.
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The Secret of being a Commando.
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Hmm, don't necessarily want to join WW3, but....
From what I understand, if you want to become an Infantry soldier in the Army, you have to do 26 weeks (12 basic, 14 infantry). To be Infantry in the Marines, you need to do 32 weeks, 15 weeks (phase 1), then 17 weeks (phase 2). The difference is that in the Marines you HAVE to do the Infantry (Commando) course, in the Army, you can specialise in anyother area for phase 2.
Does the Army REALLY send their guys into Infantry units on completion of 12 weeks? I find that abit hard to believe.
From what I understand, if you want to become an Infantry soldier in the Army, you have to do 26 weeks (12 basic, 14 infantry). To be Infantry in the Marines, you need to do 32 weeks, 15 weeks (phase 1), then 17 weeks (phase 2). The difference is that in the Marines you HAVE to do the Infantry (Commando) course, in the Army, you can specialise in anyother area for phase 2.
Does the Army REALLY send their guys into Infantry units on completion of 12 weeks? I find that abit hard to believe.
I just thought Id add my bit
As Artist said, general infantry pongos dont have much of a rep to go by, and as for para-bootie hatred, well nuff said.
Fact of the matter is, Marines are much more highly trained, confident and motivated than any pongo unit.
I have to say tho, ive seen a lot of RA regiments, and I do get a good impression (im joining my local TA, which is attatched to 47th RA).
Never met many REME fellas, so I certainly cant pass judgement
Paras, I admit, P Coy is pretty tough, and they are highly trained.
But every Para I met just gives me the impression of bein a cocky scruff, the boots and kit were a right state, and all he did was have a piss and a diss of the Marines.
Every single Marine ive met has been a real good lad, good to talk to, quietly confident, and real team players, they have their humour, but when they see a teammate in need, they are right there.
Thats exactly what its all about. When the shit hits the fan, I wanna be a part of a unit thats capable, loyal and determined.
Im not saying I hate any unit or force, or one is better than the other, but Marines are the most highly trained, no if's or but's about it.
I respect any man in the forces.
Rock
As Artist said, general infantry pongos dont have much of a rep to go by, and as for para-bootie hatred, well nuff said.
Fact of the matter is, Marines are much more highly trained, confident and motivated than any pongo unit.
I have to say tho, ive seen a lot of RA regiments, and I do get a good impression (im joining my local TA, which is attatched to 47th RA).
Never met many REME fellas, so I certainly cant pass judgement
Paras, I admit, P Coy is pretty tough, and they are highly trained.
But every Para I met just gives me the impression of bein a cocky scruff, the boots and kit were a right state, and all he did was have a piss and a diss of the Marines.
Every single Marine ive met has been a real good lad, good to talk to, quietly confident, and real team players, they have their humour, but when they see a teammate in need, they are right there.
Thats exactly what its all about. When the shit hits the fan, I wanna be a part of a unit thats capable, loyal and determined.
Im not saying I hate any unit or force, or one is better than the other, but Marines are the most highly trained, no if's or but's about it.
I respect any man in the forces.
Rock
A great quote from the "Destination: D-Day" series:
"Right, you've done the hard bit, now make it look easy"
Desire. Grit. Determination. Victory.
"Right, you've done the hard bit, now make it look easy"
Desire. Grit. Determination. Victory.
Having worked with both 3 Commando Brigade and the Parachute Regiment I feel able to pass a comment.
What makes a Marine or commando trained soldier different?
The Royal Marines are very different from the Army in many ways. Marines tend to be more intelligent and approach things from a more cerebral perspective. That said, some out and out nutters do get through I once met one in particular, known as Rocky (watch out Argie submariners) you know who I'm on about! This guy was an out and out lunatic, I just hope he can't get my address
In my experience the Corps is different from the Army regiments in many ways but the most telling is the ethos of thinking for yourself. Thats a tough concept for a lot of Army soldiers. Most Army units are not so picky intelectually so the end product is not of the standard required and even though the AACC is not complete Marine training, the ethos is the same. Us Pongo's even have to learn to wash properly At Lympstone they have these strange pipe things with holes in the end. You have to stand under them and get wet - bad idea if you ask me 
Better? I'm not getting into that but the Royal Marines stack up against any fighting force on the planet.
I'm not denigrating the Army units, there are some proud traditions and an awful lot of VC's around the old regiments. This thread is about what makes a commando different.
What makes a Marine or commando trained soldier different?
The Royal Marines are very different from the Army in many ways. Marines tend to be more intelligent and approach things from a more cerebral perspective. That said, some out and out nutters do get through I once met one in particular, known as Rocky (watch out Argie submariners) you know who I'm on about! This guy was an out and out lunatic, I just hope he can't get my address
In my experience the Corps is different from the Army regiments in many ways but the most telling is the ethos of thinking for yourself. Thats a tough concept for a lot of Army soldiers. Most Army units are not so picky intelectually so the end product is not of the standard required and even though the AACC is not complete Marine training, the ethos is the same. Us Pongo's even have to learn to wash properly
At Lympstone they have these strange pipe things with holes in the end. You have to stand under them and get wet - bad idea if you ask me Better? I'm not getting into that but the Royal Marines stack up against any fighting force on the planet.
I'm not denigrating the Army units, there are some proud traditions and an awful lot of VC's around the old regiments. This thread is about what makes a commando different.
Re: The Secret of being a Commando.
That should probably be a sticky. To all the lads who are endlessly worried about the smallest of details, the eternal 'what ifs' and limits of this, that and the other; why not concentrate your efforts on being able to cope if the 'what if' happens, or your limits are breached? War will do both to you and RM training will reflect that. What will really count is what you do when your strength runs out. Anyway, like the man says, stop flapping and just bloody go for it!Artist wrote:It's basic.
Do what your told, Yomp, Work, Sweat, Cry, Ad Lib, and just be confident.
Hello.
There's alot of people on this page saying they have worked with both Royal Marines and Army and saying that Royal Marines are better.
But you can't compare the two, they both do different jobs, it's like comparing the Army with the Navy.
You could compare the RM's with say the Infantry including the Para's because there jobs are very similar. But how can you compare the RM's with the RA, RE, RAC, AAC for instance. They are completely different.
This is why Army units in the RA, RE have a Commando role and are attached to the Commado Brigade. Even the QDG's a Armourd Recce Regiment in the RAC were also attached in the Gulf. The Royal Marines don't have this ability and need Army units.
I agree, I beleive the Royal Marines are the best at what they do. Formost Infantry. But the Army is also the best at what they do and the RM's cant. And that is Tank warfare, building and blowing up bridges, Artiliary, etc, etc. You know what I mean.
At the end of the day we are all batting for the same side. They is alot of anti Army comments if you look through the Royal Marines Forums, mainly from civi wannabe's showing complete disrespect to serving, opperational soilders. If you look through the Army Forums not a word against any of the other services.
Cav-Lad
There's alot of people on this page saying they have worked with both Royal Marines and Army and saying that Royal Marines are better.
But you can't compare the two, they both do different jobs, it's like comparing the Army with the Navy.
You could compare the RM's with say the Infantry including the Para's because there jobs are very similar. But how can you compare the RM's with the RA, RE, RAC, AAC for instance. They are completely different.
This is why Army units in the RA, RE have a Commando role and are attached to the Commado Brigade. Even the QDG's a Armourd Recce Regiment in the RAC were also attached in the Gulf. The Royal Marines don't have this ability and need Army units.
I agree, I beleive the Royal Marines are the best at what they do. Formost Infantry. But the Army is also the best at what they do and the RM's cant. And that is Tank warfare, building and blowing up bridges, Artiliary, etc, etc. You know what I mean.
At the end of the day we are all batting for the same side. They is alot of anti Army comments if you look through the Royal Marines Forums, mainly from civi wannabe's showing complete disrespect to serving, opperational soilders. If you look through the Army Forums not a word against any of the other services.
Cav-Lad
Cav-Lad,Cav-Lad wrote: If you look through the Army Forums not a word against any of the other services.
I think you'll find that the reason for this is because we have to heavily moderate the posts in the Army/Para sections due to the quantity of pissing contests, bitching, back biting and handbag swinging that tends to take place in there.
Esprit de Corps is what it boils down to.All good Regiments make it their business to inspire the Loyalty of their Members.
Many Regiments by doing so,have established a solid reputation in other parts of the Military World and not at least in the minds of the enemy.
The Royal Marines have done this over several centuries,and have realised that a lasting reputation must stand on the solid foundation of good training,strong discipline and sensible handling.
There is however something more,the Royal Marines belong to that class of institution which possesses,over and above any military gifts,the power of inspiring affection,It's a small Corps,It is a Family Corps all who serve in it are part of my Family.Aye JR
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You shoot them Dad, I`ll keep the score 
Endowed as I am with a foreskin that most Gurkas would feel proud of, I can safely say that I can piss further than anyone else on here.
Endowed as I am with a foreskin that most Gurkas would feel proud of, I can safely say that I can piss further than anyone else on here.
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Well said JR.... I will also add that the Royal Marine Officers are second to none.They, as part of their training are expected to do the same Commando course, and at times alongside us lower Mortals. Thus being able to command knowing that they too can take the hardships and the endurance. This continues through the whole rank structure up to CGRM, and is carried on throughout their career, where in other services the officers past the rank of Liutenant and perhaps Captain rarely accompany their ORs in physical and arduous in training.
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I would just like to say that even though pezmod comes across as a complete tw*t for calling Artist the C word, never the less is argument regaurding the 12 weeks was correct.
I'm sorry Sticky and Artist and anyone else who agrees but you don't go to your Regiment after your initial 12 weeks training. You are only part way through at that point. I understand Royal Marine training is also split into two parts, well it's the same as the Army.
I originally joined the Infantry and that was 26 weeks, 12 at a ATR and 14 at Catterick. It's the same as the Para's, they also do 12 weeks at a ATR then something like 15 at Catterick and then there jumps. Altogether 30 weeks.
Now days I believe the Infantry incliuding the Guards and Para's do all there training as a one up at Catterick. And dependig on what you join it is between 26 and 28 weeks. Which is only afew weeks less than the Royal Marines.
I just can't beleive some of you think after just 12 weeks you can walk in and do any job in the Army and maybe goto war.
Anyway I'm not hear to cause trouble, just trying to put the record straight.
Cav-Lad
I'm sorry Sticky and Artist and anyone else who agrees but you don't go to your Regiment after your initial 12 weeks training. You are only part way through at that point. I understand Royal Marine training is also split into two parts, well it's the same as the Army.
I originally joined the Infantry and that was 26 weeks, 12 at a ATR and 14 at Catterick. It's the same as the Para's, they also do 12 weeks at a ATR then something like 15 at Catterick and then there jumps. Altogether 30 weeks.
Now days I believe the Infantry incliuding the Guards and Para's do all there training as a one up at Catterick. And dependig on what you join it is between 26 and 28 weeks. Which is only afew weeks less than the Royal Marines.
I just can't beleive some of you think after just 12 weeks you can walk in and do any job in the Army and maybe goto war.
Anyway I'm not hear to cause trouble, just trying to put the record straight.
Cav-Lad
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Well put JR.
It's something all Bootnecks know in their bones. As I have said I have no Beef against the various Army Corps or Regiments but................................... We are just us!
A case in point was the 22nd of May this year. A bunch of us met up. (plus an ex member of the REME, Hello GoreD!) And Age. Rank in the Corp. Job in the Corp. Time served in the Corp. Did not matter one bit.
We were part of that unique family and proceeded to get on like a house on fire. In fact the first IA (have a quick drink and say hello, then get changed and return after a bit of Scran) went out of the window and we stayed in the same place until closing time. No Aggro. No backstabbing. No Problems. A ruck of fun! The locals of the Hostelry we were in to a Man and Woman said it was one of the best nights they had had in a long time.
Cav Lad try and get a life hey? If you don't like what is said on the Royal Marines part of the site stay in the Army part. I don't knock your job do I?
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It's something all Bootnecks know in their bones. As I have said I have no Beef against the various Army Corps or Regiments but................................... We are just us!
A case in point was the 22nd of May this year. A bunch of us met up. (plus an ex member of the REME, Hello GoreD!) And Age. Rank in the Corp. Job in the Corp. Time served in the Corp. Did not matter one bit.
We were part of that unique family and proceeded to get on like a house on fire. In fact the first IA (have a quick drink and say hello, then get changed and return after a bit of Scran) went out of the window and we stayed in the same place until closing time. No Aggro. No backstabbing. No Problems. A ruck of fun!
The locals of the Hostelry we were in to a Man and Woman said it was one of the best nights they had had in a long time.Cav Lad try and get a life hey? If you don't like what is said on the Royal Marines part of the site stay in the Army part. I don't knock your job do I?
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