It stated on the news that they where open supports or Big OS and AQ.
I was thinking shouldnt all people who openly support our enimies at this time be locked up or treat with similar to how Germans and Japs where in WWII...
Or is there a more 'secret' process happening to these people... similar to what is happening to that cleric that was believed to be supporting and helping MI5 in anti-terror ops?
I think this descovery of this plot shows that we are doing well at stopping attacks but if people openly support AQ i cannot for the life of me see why they should be treat fairly and freely!!!
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I'd argue it is necessary to keep these 'supporters' in the open, this is part of being able to monitor and infiltrate. If we drive them above the ground, it just gets harder.
As long as they're out and about and known, they can become useful idiots of a kind.
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Even so, it does seem to be taking the piss somewhat when rabble rousers like Abu Hamza are allowed to openly preach anti British sentiment in Britain, especially after he's been granted asylum after fleeing from persecution. Fair enough keep a quiet eye on the supporters, but the men who are busy corrupting (our already corrupt enough) youngsters should be clapped in irons shipped back where they came from. I seriously doubt the likes of Lord Haw Haw or Axis Sally would have been allowed to broadcast from London in WWII.
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Can't really use WWII analogies. We're dealing with terrorism which is not state-supported, or if so, very indirectly.
Also not a simple matter of just keeping a quiet eye on them, rather identifying who's who and possibly 'turning' some who are on the fringe. They can serve as introduction to more valuable targets, bearing in mind said targets are largely unknown. It's a game in which patience is more than just a virtue.
Most of these people are just rhetorical to anything that is anti-western.
What worrries me is the way these groups like Al-Mohajiroun manipulate the vulnerable youth particulary at certain mosques (and universities) where youngsters usually go to learn how to pray, learn arabic and biblical/koranic history (sort of the muslim equivalent to sunday school) end up getting a rather disjointed view on current state of of world politics and then brainwashing them to commit certain terrorist acts.
I think it will take years to infiltrate groups, whenever they seemed to be denied access to certain areas, these groups manage to find a way to circumvent around the problem.
I would add that paranoia is endemic to these groups and so many others who oppose the government, culture or whatever we choose to call it.
This can be pushed to where it actually works for us.
To where they make mistakes.
We should expel anyone who makes threats against the UK. Captain Hook for instance, (I can't remember his name and I'm not going to do him the courtesy of searching for it) why the **** is he still in the country?
Let's build out own Guantanamo bay on Gruinard Island (anthrax) and keep them all there. Also they should have no access to legal advise or media. Sod it! lets not give them access to food or water either.
Despairingly, he is still preaching - this time on the street outside the Finsbury Park mosque. Surprised they havent been pelted with eggs..
I don't agree with comments below, however if they preach hate, support terrorism and the downfall of Western democracy, they should be returned to country of origin and see how they like the lack, of freedom of expression, democratic rights and social welfare.
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PongoLogs wrote:We should expel anyone who makes threats against the UK. Captain Hook for instance, (I can't remember his name and I'm not going to do him the courtesy of searching for it) why the **** is he still in the country?
Let's build out own Guantanamo bay on Gruinard Island (anthrax) and keep them all there. Also they should have no access to legal advise or media. Sod it! lets not give them access to food or water either.
"He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not, is a slave." ---William Drummond.
Our countries just too extremely PC for us to take any desicive action. It actually makes me angry to think it costs us money to keep this one handed inbread protected while he preaches his anti western properganda in London.
Now i'm not racist in any way and I have many asain friends, but it does make me resent "muslims" in a way....I suppose that's not racism as Islam is a religion not a race as of such. But it makes you think if you hate our country and values to that extent then f*** off. Would it be posible to goto their country and openly preach anti middle east properganda....No, come to think of it we wouldn't be able to do it in our own country at risk of being labeled racist and then getting locked up. So why them in ours? It seems double standards to me. Although I am generalising a bit because most muslims live and prosper in this country and enjoy the freedom this democracy provides......We really need to look at the easons why these people feel this way and tackle it at the source...Is it alienation caused by people like me writing things like this? Or is it something more fundermental?
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The down side to freedom of speech and 'democracy' is that anyone can say what they like, however repellant it is. Unless someone is actually organising or funding attacks then there is nothing that can be done about it, that's just the way the law is.
All these people can hope to do is kill people, even when it is hundreds or even thousands the threat is not comparable to the threat that was posed by Nazi Germany.
The cause for this is that bored young men get angry, for justified or unjustified reasons, and then become hateful and resentful towards a perceived 'enemy' towards their religion or way of life, it is the same kind of feeling that motivates skinheads, or the Nazis in the 30's.
Then some cowardly 'leader' convinces them that blowing themselves up in a public place is a good way to solve their problems.
What i want to know is, if 'martyrdom' is such a good way to defeat the enemies of Islam and reach paradise, why haven't Osama Bin Laden and friends done it yet?
The Muslim faith is the fastest growing religion in the world on expansionism it stretches from the Phillipines to West Africa above and below the equator expanding into the Northern Hemisphere as far up into the Russian Federation, Germany and especially Britain.
What is their aim? The Malaysian president said some months ago that the Muslim religion would dominate the Earth. Is this why NATO is expanding or economic blocs are developing to try and counterattack this expansion. I said in a post on another thread that the West has cut North Africa in half by becoming 'friendly' with Libya and the US has put a buffer zone between Iran and Israel, is this part of the Great Plan of the West?
The best thing is to remove his citizenship and throw him out of the country, if he does like what this country is then send him back to Egypt or where ever he came from. If wants to start trouble then lets have it, I am still up for it and I know who would come of worse.
Some imam was saying on the radio the other day that they've been saying for years to the govt to do something about Hook and Co but the govt does nothing, theres already a law allowing stripping of citizenship in place, why isnt it being used?
Davo
