Special Boat Service New Cap Badge

Oakers · Post by **Oakers** » Fri 29 Aug, 2003 12:38 pm

That's the current badge Zuhrich. Nothing new there bud.

zuhrich · Post by **zuhrich** » Fri 29 Aug, 2003 7:54 pm

yup just somthing to look at

Jason The Argonaut · Post by **Jason The Argonaut** » Fri 05 Sep, 2003 1:43 pm

I'd never seen that badge before, it's strange looking.

Oakers · Post by **Oakers** » Fri 05 Sep, 2003 2:29 pm

Jason,
I beleive that that's the current blazer/unit badge. The old one just had a slightly different motto.

If I've dropped a bo***ck here I'm sure one of the bubble heads here will set me straight.

rabby · Post by **rabby** » Fri 05 Sep, 2003 2:59 pm

Is that the new one after they changed the motto from "Not by strength, by guile" to what it is above?

Oakers · Post by **Oakers** » Fri 05 Sep, 2003 3:14 pm

As far as I'm aware mate yes. I'll endeavour to ask some mates who are that way inclined and see if I can get the definitive answer for everyone.

adj125 · Post by **adj125** » Fri 05 Sep, 2003 4:06 pm

http://www.army.mod.uk/uksf/Special_For ... e_/SBS.htm

sneaky beaky · Post by **sneaky beaky** » Sat 20 Sep, 2003 7:07 pm

As an "oldy" still reasonably in touch, I can confirm that the badge with the frog in it, is a blazer badge. As for the new cap badge, I think it lacks imagination, style and in no way does it represent what the SBS were and still are - a mainly Royal Marines unit. Us oldies, in the main are not happy with it nor are we happy with the variation on the motto - Not By Strength - By Guile. (Or as we use to change it to, Not by Strength - By Gilly - and only those who knew Gilly would understand that!!)
But what do we old farts matter!!
Dave wrote elsewhere

I am a former Royal Marine. I am also former SBS ( 20 years,) I have great reservations about he way theSBS are going. Also the Cap Badge and the Motto ie "Not By Strength but by Guile" changed to " By Strength and Guile" does not go down well with the former brigade.
It goes against all that th SBS were.

see Dave, all things are possible

Dave H.
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Ex. SB of 23 years. Retired 1982.

sneaky beaky · Post by **sneaky beaky** » Sun 21 Sep, 2003 6:44 pm

Sticky Blue, I think you are dead right about the purse strings. It is sad.
30 pieces of silver seems to be about the right price.

chunky from york · Post by **chunky from york** » Sun 21 Sep, 2003 9:29 pm

Dave

Being an ex simple squaddie, what do you mean by '30 pieces of silver' ??

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Mon 22 Sep, 2003 9:31 am

Not By Strength - By Guile.

Out of interest this can be traced back to the days of Gidion, a very able commander of his time.

" Guile often succeeds where force of arms fail "

It worked for him.

It would seem that the new motto fails to understand the ethos of the SBS and seems more to do with a corporate image make over.

Guile--Gilly?

Rover

barryc · Post by **barryc** » Mon 22 Sep, 2003 11:49 am

Rover, As Dave said you would have to have known Gillie to understand it, one of the support columns of the old SBS and I won't reveal his surname because it is one way of sorting out Walters who, if they were genuine would certainly know it.

Barry

sneaky beaky · Post by **sneaky beaky** » Mon 22 Sep, 2003 7:35 pm

Chunky,
Wasn't Jesus Christ sold down the river for 30 pieces of silver by Judas Escariot? Now I am not particularly religious and I do accept that the reference is a bit over the top but the simile (is that spelt right?) is not unjustified!
Sneaky

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