BOEING VS BAE the X Planes

[The JaCkAl]

Who saw that program on the new planes being developed in America. They can take off vertically fly off at super sonic speed then stop midair at 500ft and hover, then turn 360 degrees whilst static. Amazing. If anyone can remember who got the contract boeing or BAE, as I had to go out to get a bottle of wine.

[gash-hand]

i didn't see the program but do they use the gyroscope principle?

i remember being in a lecture years ago about the germans at the end of WWII, they were researching 'flying saucers' that worked off the gyroscopic principle of movement always being 90 degrees ahead of the curent plane.

It was after WWII that a lot of 'space craft' were starting to be seen around US military installations, hhhmmmm who got their hands on most of the german technology after the war?

can't remember too much about it but it was pretty fascinating stuff

[The JaCkAl]

It worked with a Rolls Royce fan that pionted down at the floor. This particular plane had two thrusters. The engine and the Rolls Royce fan. The Rolls Royce fan prevented the hot air from the engine entering the engine intake and created lift, which is pretty revolutionary in jump jet technology.

check this out: http://www.channel4.com/science/microsi ... lanes.html

At the bottom of the page there is BAE and Boeing website with the specs of both entries for the competition.

See the two thrusters, one at the front and second at the back.

[voodoo sprout]

I'm not sure the flying saucers were simply gyroscope stabilised jobs. One design was simply that shape for aerodynamic reasons, though that particualr idea flopped both literally and metaphorically . However I am thinking that the traditional, even stereotypical, round blob with a rotating plate like skirt is unnervingly similar to the designs for antigravity mechanisms, involving a very low temperature super conductor coated ceramic plate being rotated in an electromagnetic field in order to reduce the stength of the gravitational field.
And for all you cans say against the Nazi's, it can't be denied their scientific prowess was incredible; technology in guided missiles, jet technology, chemistry, antigravity, nuclear weapons, rockets, and ballistic missiles was all developed or created to an impressive level by Nazi scientists.

[The JaCkAl]

What do you think Voodoo, is there anti gravity machines out there? Not so much extra terrestrial, as human built.

[Topper]

There is Operation Greenglow at BAe researching anti-gravity. If it was discovered the most likely use would be to reduce weight on conventional aircraft not make super duper X-files stuff. There is a Russian chap who claims to have invented antigravity stuff but refuses to sell anyone the data who might use it for military purposes. Obviously his credibilitty has been questioned as he hasn't produced much evidence..

[voodoo sprout]

I'm certain antigravity technology is active, though as Topper said the actual effect is probably limited unless someone has made a quiet brakthrough; in the original device gravity was only reduced by about 2%. And while I haven't read the book, there is one called "the hunt for zero point" or similar, in which it is claimed the technology has significant power for weapons, and is the reason it has all been covered up. All very interesting stuff, but unless I can scrounge the money to buy the book that's about as much info as I've found in the public domain .

[lew]

Yea I saw that programme wasn’t it interesting, those planes were really cool... the BA lock heed & martin plane won by the way!!!

[Cronkilla]

The boeing was ugly, but i dont think that was taken into consideration when comparing the 2 . I found the lock heed design very interesting thou.

[Tab]

Did you see the first programme on these planes when they building them.
Lockeheed carved up a a five ton block of titanium down to a three hundred pound bulk head and it took them six months to do it.

[PhilM]

Lads, if you want to se imo one of the greatest aircraft ever, do a search for the YF-23.

This current "xplanes" as you call them, are fighting for the JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) contract. The F-22 and the YF-23 were 10years ago, fighting for the ATF contract (Advanced Tacticle Fighter) total work of art, and a million times better (FACT, not just my opinion...well, maybe not millions ), than the F-22 that won the contract.

Awesome awesome aircraft.

[PhilM]

*someone pass the kleenex*

Have a read of this article:
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/black_projects/yf23a.htm

Awesome stuff

[Dog Soldier]

Hmm.. you know how cats always land on their feet?

And bread buttered side down?

Well, if you strapped the bread to the back of the cat and dropped it, would it then be forced to hover?

If so, could we not harness this new technology to provide a cheap and cheerful form of propulsion?

[Neil Farquhar]

The JSF programme was a competition between McDonnell Douglas and Lockheed Martin.

I don't think BAE Systems came into the picture anywhere; apart from maybe to supply particular technology that would aid the project development.

[rabby]

BAE SYSTEMS is partnered with Lockheed-Martin. BAE has contributed masses amounts of engineering to the JSF, It has designed and engineered the STOVL system, and has lent its world leading engineering knowhow to various other parts of the design. Without BAE SYSTEMS the JSF that Lockheed_Martin designed would not have got off the ground. (excuse the pun ).