My tuppence worth on muslims in the UK

[London Boy]

This is the response I wrote to a thread on a music forum. The thread had started out discussing Morrissey and how outspoken he was and developed into the PC types on the thread criticising Morrissey and anyone else who had a pair and were prepared to say exactly what they bloody well felt like, and defending the rights of muslims in the Uk....blah blah blah.

So I waded in with this broadside at the anti-British PC types:

MY TUPPENCE WORTH.
Whatever country a person lives in they have to adapt to the laws and norms of that land. In some of the more backward thinking countries of the Middle East, many aspects of daily life must follow specific laws!

Muslims in the UK should stop trying to change British law to suit their religious beliefs. Religion has no place in the affairs of state, and has no place in a modern democracy.
And they should stop trying to introduce Sharia Law which is a barbaric relic of the Middle Ages.

And I am appalled by the recent news that female Muslim medical students refused to roll their sleeves up to the elbow and wash their forearms, thus violating current NHS hygiene regs.

Well sod off and get another job then that doesn't offend your strange ideas about what is and what isn't decent! OOOh.. it's indecent under Islamic law to show my forearms but it's okay for Islamic authorities to behead people in public..get a fvcking grip!

More people in the UK need to kick PC into touch and need to speak out about the increasingly ridiculous nature of Muslim attitiudes in the UK.

And they need to be able to do that without being labelled racists or nationalists.

The West Indians, the Irish, the Indians all assimilated very well after initial racism.

But Muslims continue to bitch and moan about the greatness of Islam and sharia law, well fvck off back to a muslim country then!
If it was so great why did you have to flee for your
life or run away or let's have it straight, turn your back on Islamic society which is fvcked up and which doesn't allow you to be a free individual or make a fortune or do the job you want to do ?

Far too many economic refugees in the UK from Islamic countries.

Genuine refugees from wars or natural disasters are one thing, and they're welcome. But economic refugees and military deserters and political refugees should be sent back! And carry on their moaning and protesting there, if they dare!

I have no patience with PC or Islamic migrants bitching and moaning about where they came from and how terrible it was there, while at the same time still trying to impose Islamic values and sharia law on the people of their new country.

Don't they see the illogicality of their behaviour. The two go hand in hand. Islamic countries are fvcked up BECAUSE OF Islamic values and sharia law.

So don't bring your problems to the UK, keep them in the Middle East.

And as for multi-culturalism, don't make me fvkcing laugh, Muslims haven't stopped trying to kill Jews for decades. And Africans kill people of other tribes as soon as look at them rather than live toghether with them. Rwanda, Nigeria-Ghana, Uganda-Kenya the list of tribal wars is endless.

It's always white PC types that go on about multi-culturalism never the migrants invovled.

You try sending a Hindu to live in Islamabad and see what kind of response you get!

Unfotunately multi-culturalism doesn't work, never has, never will. You know why? Because it's not supposed to. How many Jews live in Riyadh?
How many Hindus live in Pakistan?
How many Christians live in Iraq?


And you'll notice that the intolerance of other cultures and religions is always in countries that are Islamic states. In some of which it is illegal and carries the death penalty to be a Christian.

[Doc]

Couldnt agree more bud.

Britian is a multi-cultural proud nation, with one common thread - being British.

I am Welsh but I dont insist you all shag sheep or eat coal.

Multi-racial ethos makes us what we are, and I always think of previous generations who laid down their freedoms and lives to make this a free and tolerant country.

Yes there are some white eyes who are just as racist as the ethnic minorities, but I would gamble that the majority of this is now in response to the "I want, I wont, I demand, I am Muslim, you are infidel" attitudes of some people who come to this country to demand, brainwash, slag off and undermine our great country.

If you dont like it go back to your place of birth and/or heritage. You werent invited, you imposed!

I dont sit in the middle east and demand a christian culture and get in my B6 and zoom down to the council offices and try to sign up, then make flour bombs to send back to the UK or try and get others brits to return home and slot everyone.

World is a shit place on balance, Im moving to the moon, tara!

[Tab]

Why do Muslims come to Britain, well they will say for a better life, so if they come for a better life why do they bring all their old ways with them that have caused the problem in their countries of origin and caused them to try and find a better place to live

[London Boy]

Why do Muslims come to Britain, well they will say for a better life, so if they come for a better life why do they bring all their old ways with them that have caused the problem in their countries of origin and caused them to try and find a better place to live

Exactly, and one of my main points.

[harry hackedoff]

Don't they see the illogicality

Illogicality isn`t a real word mate
Yes it is
No it isn`t mate
Yes it is, look into my eyes, look deep into my eyes, don`t look at my face just look into my eyes and listen to my voice, Illogicality is a real word. Three two one, one two three, when I click my fingers you will be back in the room, click

Tell you what London Geez, isn`t illogicality a great word mate and you use it so well

[sportbilly42]

I am Welsh but I dont insist you all shag sheep or eat coal.

I'm Scots and I don't insist on everyone wearing skirts and havin' a slice of haggis either …….unless it's a Burns Supper .... (btw it's not ALL minced pigs arseholes and 'meat' steam cleaned off diseased carcases…95% of it is, but the rest is a good wholesome sawdust and fat mixture)

Common sentiments held here too about the new residents. I think most decent minded people are welcoming of those who genuinely are fleeing persecution or are seeking a ‘better life’ and are prepared to integrate themselves into their new society. Being proud of your heritage is one thing but insisting that your adopted country adapts it’s laws to accommodate your beliefs is something entirely different.

Can’t be too pious about the ‘economic migrants’ coming IN mind, ‘cos we’ve got a hell of a lot of our old and grey living on the Costa del Espania these days who get their pensions shipped across to them and don’t exactly put themselves out, or make tremendous efforts at ‘integrating’ themselves into the Spanish community. Nice little tax wheeze (I might try it myself in a few years time…….).

And as for being proud of your heritage, there’s some traditions that probably fell by the wayside when the first bunch of West Country criminals set foot on Aussie soil… I’m assuming that the Sydney Morris Dancers Association doesn’t have too many members these day? (Kendo with bells and beer that is…. )

Anyway, they should integrate not separate. Down with ghettos …..

Cambridge Online dictionary: Integrate: verb “To mix with and join society or a group of people, often changing to suit their way of life, habits and customs”: (I think that’s clear enough, don’t you?)

And as for ‘Illogicality’ …… Star Trek Series 1 Episode 1, Dr Spock turns to Lt James T. Kirk (this was before he was promoted) and says “There’s a certain illogicality about that mateyboy” …ermm ..before he moved onto the more familiar “It’s illogical Captain”

Message to new muslim residents of UK: "Resistance Is Futile. ….You Will Be Assimilated!"

[flighty]

Oh dear.

Has Islamophobia taken over the forum?

I know that I have now exposed myself to humungous amounts of vitriol and diatribes against any fecker who wasn't born within the sound of Bow Bells (who isn't white, btw)

How much do any of you have to do with the Muslim community on a day to day basis?

Jayne

[Doc]

News tonight, the archbishop of St Marys Fanny in the Bush, has stated that he thinks its only a matter of time before certain areas of the country will adopt muslim law instead of UK law?????????


WTF???????????

is it me but is it that the only people who are in dire crisis over the state of this country are the people who have actually added to it or put their life on the line for it????

They can all come here and have the NHS, that institute of utter shite, and we'll go to islamabadistanarabiansarah and shit in their beds.

[Carlos125]

When i was living in Leeds, training with 4para, if i ever went for a run in my Paras tee shirt i'd get shouts of 'murderer' or 'infidel' or other such nonsense from the local islamic youth. (even if they did sh!t themselves when i'd stop n stare)
Hearing stuff like that with a Yorkshire accent does make you feel that generally Britain is not appreciated, and generally hacked off.
I mean, it's LEEDS, smack bang in the middle of the UK, more or less.

As for the note on integrating - if the army in the first Gulf War had to rename the padre as 'morale officers' to not antagonise the Saudi's, and all woman had to wear their uniform with buttons done up, hats worn, sleeves rolled down all the time they were out there, irrelevent of the troops' own personal beliefs etc, and also even tourists who get advice on how to dress when they go on holiday to certain destinations, then why is it acceptable that a woman can choose to wear a burkha.

it is not a prerequisite to islam, it's just an optional item.

If i put my hood up cause it's cold i get called a 'hoody' and people cross over the road in front of me, (what is so scary about a hoody and jeans in the cold anyway??)

If i went to work in a balaclava... i don't think i'd make it in somehow...
plus the identity worries, i.e. the teacher who went to work in a burkha, how easy would it be really for a paedofile to just put a burkha on, stand outside a school and snatch a kid, or walk in and about and cause havoc generally...

Surely the first step to integration, except from not living in a 'muslim community' - if they all seperate themselves into their own community, obviously they're not going to integrate... is to dress 'modestly' in a western way.

There is a stereotype of the middle aged asian man as being dressed in trousers, shirt, tie, jumper - im sure he didnt dress like this in his homeland, a very respectable attire if you ask me...

It's just like the teenager who strives to be different then moans that 'you dont understand, it's not the same for you'

Plus the fact that as others have said there are a lot of ideals in Islam that are best left in the past. i.e. generally solving things by cutting burning or beheading.

[flighty]

News tonight, the archbishop of St Marys Fanny in the Bush, has stated that he thinks its only a matter of time before certain areas of the country will adopt muslim law instead of UK law?????????


WTF???????????

is it me but is it that the only people who are in dire crisis over the state of this country are the people who have actually added to it or put their life on the line for it????

They can all come here and have the NHS, that institute of utter shite, and we'll go to islamabadistanarabiansarah and shit in their beds.

Bloody tosser .... you know what you've started now, don't you?

Waiting ...... for the tossers who can't READ to post answers. ALLLLLLAAAAHHHHH!

[Doc]

Dont lie Carlos, they shouted "STAB W4NKER" and stole your toffees

[flighty]

I am truly disappointed by the way things are going on here.

Over the last couple of weeks there has been some really unpleasant racist stuff going on.

This thread is an example.

I'm not going to make a fuss but I am retiring from posting.

I do not want to be associated to a forum which allows such stuff to be broadcast.

Jayne

[flighty]

My 'ilk' teaches these little boys and girls!

My 'ilk' makes sure they are looked after when thet arrive from feck knows where with no information re schooling /background

I am a teacher by profession ..... councillor by choice.

But here's some info for you ... no child works harder in school than an immigrant child.

[Doc]

I am truly disappointed by the way things are going on here.

Over the last couple of weeks there has been some really unpleasant racist stuff going on.

This thread is an example.

I'm not going to make a fuss but I am retiring from posting.

I do not want to be associated to a forum which allows such stuff to be broadcast.

Jayne

Jayne,

I do not believe that I am racist, I dont tolerate the prongs that I used to visit in my ambulance who are monged, sitting in their own faeces and thought it would be cool to call us saying their gran is having a heart attack only to stone us on arrival and then claim its their right to call 99 whenever they want to

I am not anti muslim, true muslims have the same beleifs and standards as any religion, peace, tolerance, good living etc.

I am not overly religious and would never walk the streets with copies of the bible "making" people convert.

I believe everyone is equal until they prove themselves with some crime otherwise.

I also believe that our predecessors of all colours and religions have made this a great country.

I stand for that effort, and will speak out when a minority will not look at both sides of the fence and tolerate all.

The real racists here are the minority of people who wont accept cultural differences and embrace the variety it offers. The people wether born here or moved here, abuse the state and then rebel against the very standards the state sets. they cut the hand that the hand that feeds them.

Why should anyone tolerate abuse from a minority or the lack of common dog like basic hygiene in a hospital? Why should servicemen and women face abuse for defending our country that provides the safe haven and welcome hand that is then abused and ridiculed?

Why should muslim service men face the threat of beheadings from nutters because they choose to defend the UK their country?

The minority who I ridicule and dispise deserve no defence or tolerance.

We are all British, by birth of choice, I have a Welsh heritage and embrass it, there are many other cultural backgrounds that people are able and welcome to embrass. If someone wants to wear a muslim symbol then let them, if a BA stewardess wants to wear a cross let her.

But I am getting sick of again a minority that accepts only their beliefs and blows up those they think are inferior.

There is no place for overt religious law in the Uk wether christian or muslim or any other religion.

This is my opinion, I dont think its racist, if you read all my posts people will soon realise that the common thread when I slag off people is stupidity and intolerance.

Why is it when a muslim heritic shouts out against Uk values etc etc he is to be tolerated, but when someone else shouts out against the stupidity of not washing hands in a hospital I am called a racist?

No cultural segement is all good, there are minorities that are wrong, us white folk had hitler who by all accounts was a tad naughty and most of the world went to war to stop him.

I just think when an idiotic muslim cleric, christian far right nutter, or whatever preaches murder and insane values that fly in the face of UK law and common sense people have the right to complain and speak out.

Just so happens this topic is based around reports of a minority of muslims who are speaking out of their arses and trying to make us all conform.



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