'Lyrical Terrorist' Samina Malik guilty

[Holger Danske]

BACON..!! mmhh!!

[2007]

The only reason there was 'no sectarian violence' before the entry of British and US troops into Iraq (Which cannot technically be termed as an invasion, as we are there at the request of the government) is because no one really knew about it.
Can tell you right now there was, only it wasn't reported in the West.
If the people really want us to leave, all they have to do is stop killing each other, only that ain't gonna happen, not for years yet, they're worse than the protestants and catholics in Northern Ireland.

Notice you haven't come up with any viable alternatives - none of you lot ever do.

There were no reports of inter-sect violence before the illegal invasion simply because there wasn't any. As I wrote yesterday, I have friends in Iraq, some Christian and some Muslim and they all confirm that, it seems you simply want to make it up as you go along. As for your comments that the Government of Iraq (Saddam's) invited British and American troops into Iraq so it can't be termed an invasion must be the most idiotic thing I've ever heard, surely no one can be that stupid.
There was no UN Resolution authorising the invasion and therefore it was an illegal act, anyone that took part is technically a war criminal.

Finally you are under the impression that the USA actually wants to leave Iraq, the reasons for the illegal invasion were 100% oil related and that is the motive for the occupation. The USA is funding both Shiia and Sunni militia and in addition imported their own terrorists into Iraq.

[2007]

Children I love bacon

[harry hackedoff]

Would you like me to give you some

[AJtothemax]

And how many white people are suicide bombers

And how many "non white people" drop bombs from 30,000 ft destroying whole villages, litter the countryside with depleted uranium, kill on mass using napalm or use white phosphorus and finish up killing 1.2 million people?

Conventional warfare sweetheart. White phos is used to clear trenches etc. If they could do it to us they would. Then where would your bleeding heart be? Whole Villages?? Prove that one kn*bhead.

Notice how you didn't have an answer for my statement about what soldier's give you. Guilty conscience? Or just blind arrogance? It's one of those answers so take your pick and humiliate yourself further.

Do yourself and all of us a favour. Go start a protest in London, or better yet, catch the next available method of transport to the Middle East. Tell them your visions and what you think is right and wrong. See for yourself what's happening.

Maybe even talk to Terry Taliban, they'll love you. Oh and don't worry, there will be plenty of coverage of your pathetic beheading all over the internet and on the t.v. But I'm sure that won't stop you loving them.

Now, jog on.

[TheLa]

Well said AJ.

And Danske - Pass the Brown Sauce....

[Hyperlithe]

Funny how the Iraqi Health Ministry has the figure at between 100,000 and 150,000, and yet the Lancet can make it over a million, just by asking 1461 or so Iraqis...
Little bit of basic maths, that would mean that each of those Iraqis knew over 820 different people who had died as a result of action by coalition troops.
Hmm...
So that means that if you asked 1461 Americans, you could probably prove that 1.2 million people were killed on September 11 2001.

[_chris]

The lancet has never said 1.2 million, no where near, it has set an absolute maximum of less than 1 million. Also their predictive method of working out the deaths has been recognised as good practice, even the MODS Chief scientific advisor said it was close to best practice given the circumstances. However it ahs suffered many criticisms, including the absurdly large range, with a published figure picked out of the middle (around 600,000 not 1.2 million) rather than being done to any degree of acuracy. It has also been criticised for using too low a prewar mortality rate and lack of overseeing of the interviews, aswell as numerous other criticisms.

But as far as the base survey method goes it is a good method, it does not require each iraqi to know 820 different people, it requires them to know maybe 2 or 3 different people, this when multiplied by the rest of the population is how the figure was reached. It was never stated,a s your maths assumes, that all of the people were known personally by teh sample group.

[Holger Danske]

Brown sauce..
Pork roast with white potatoes and brown sauce.
Gotta visit mom soon.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

This website says less than 100.000.
In the Bosnian war 200.000 were killed and that was bloody as hell.

100.000 civilian casulties is likely in Iraq, not 1.000.000.

[Alfa]

There were no reports of inter-sect violence before the illegal invasion simply because there wasn't any. As I wrote yesterday, I have friends in Iraq, some Christian and some Muslim and they all confirm that, it seems you simply want to make it up as you go along.

I assume then, given the above statement, that neither you nor your "Iraqi friends" have ever heard of the Marsh Arabs? And I suppose the gassing of the Kurds in Halabja was all western propaganda to sow the seed of discontent and discredit Saddam so we could get our hands on his oil?

After coalition forces drove Iraqi troops from Kuwait in the Gulf War, rebellions spread across the south and north of the country.

Shia Muslims in the city of Basra on the southern edge of the marshes played a key role. Some Marsh Arabs took part.

Iraqi Government forces put down the uprisings brutally, bombing civilians from military helicopters. Between 30,000 and 60,000 people were killed, according to the United States.

Repression was stepped up in the southern Shia towns and the Iraqi regime began large-scale hydro-engineering projects in the marshes, building dams, canals and embankments. Water levels began to drop.

In 1992 and 1993 reports emerged of a military campaign to flush out the wetlands.

Refugees fleeing to Iran described artillery and aerial attacks on civilian areas, arrests and executions, mine-laying and the destruction of homes and properties..................The army's favourite tactic is to blow up villages selectively and then sow mines in the water before retreating," wrote the Observer journalist Shyam Bhatia, who visited the marshes in 1993.

These are just a few relevant quotes from here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 807821.stm

But since none of this fits your "idea" that pre-war Iraq was free from any sectarian tensions or oppression I don't expect you to to take any notice.

Maybe you should invite some of your "Iraqi friends" on here to join in the discussions I'd imagine it shouldn't be too hard for you to make up another two or three user names

[Tab]

2007...........It is very easy for people isolated from from the consequences of terrorism to feel that these people are not getting a fair deal. If allowed to go unchecked some of these smaller people can set up cells that are then taken over by militants. You should also remember that many of these people have no idea what so every about democracy and nor do the believe in it. The only thing they believe in is their faith should be the only one around and that it's gods will that they should kill any one that does not agree with them.

[harry hackedoff]

Chemical Ali, top bloke Won`t hear a word said against him. Diamond geezer, always fun to be with and an animal when ashore
Just like Sadman`s lads
Er, what was the question

[2007]

You should also remember that many of these people have no idea what so every about democracy and nor do the believe in it.

This has nothing at all to to with democracy or the lack of it. The USA is quite willing to remove democratically elected people in South America and replace them with military dictatorships. It tries to assassinate Chavez in Venezuela but supports Musharraf in Pakistan. The USA is simply interested in installing regimes which supports their economic interests

This is in fact about control of the Middle East , in particular the oil reserves, and an attempt to protect the US$ as the world's reserve currency. The murder of 1.2 million Muslims in Iraq, plus the 1.5 million by way of the sanctions was simply accomplished for economic reasons. Nothing about WMD or terrorism or any other Bush/Blair lies. The so called "terrorists" are simply a response to the action by the USA and UK which actually mirrors the actions taken by the Germans in 1939 who also invaded Poland on false pretenses due to their interest in Polish coal. Unfortuantely, we are the new Nazis.

[2007]

Unfortunately, we are the new Nazis.

Well I wrote "we" but I meant in particular people like you lot.

[2007]

assume then, given the above statement, that neither you nor your "Iraqi friends" have ever heard of the Marsh Arabs? And I suppose the gassing of the Kurds in Halabja was all western propaganda to sow the seed of discontent and discredit Saddam so we could get our hands on his oil?

You are of course referring to the Kurds, I was clearly referring to Shia and Sunni. Most Kurds live in Turkey followed by Syria and during Saddam's time they were trying for, as they are now, a separate Kurdish State. During Saddam's time, as they are now, they were involved in terrorism. Have you heard of the PKK?
As for the gassing of the Kurds, well who knows if it was Iraq or Iran who gassed them? What is known is that both sides were supplied gas by the USA.