Commandos, elite fighting force - salary should match title!

[Scottish_Kiwi]

I can see in a way what he is trying to get at.

An SF trooper can earn in the range of £30k a year , of course you would assume he was already an experienced soldier and earning a decent wage but still because of doing this course he is entitled to more pay?

Seeing as how much action everyone across the board is seeing, a pay rise for all is definitely deserved, the tax break thing was a start but higher pay is long over due.

K

[druadan]

SF's a different ball game altogether, you can't even begin to compare in terms of pay (which starts at £97 and a few pence a day with Level 1 of the SF pay spine plus SF daily rate; that comes to around £35k a year).

[Scottish_Kiwi]

I don't see why not, the amount of action we are seeing in Afghan! Yes SF do a lot more action in peace times but thats not what we are in just now. And Besides In Royal at least SF used to just be an SQ like an other and the pay varied very little(Parachute pay).

K

[Tab]

Now if you made that sort of comments to Paratrooper you could wind up getting a good slapping

[GreyWing]

The only reason I could see for giving para's and marines extra pay is to keep them out of the private sector.

But different basic pay rates simple wouldn't work as you'd end up with the kind of divisions you have in russia, where the conscript troops and the regular is one of hatred and it has been said that they don't give a dam or fight for each other and wouldn't bat an eyelid if they saw one from the other group being killed.

In training it was always said that the rm's would go in tooled up and heavy handed, on the offensive with support. From what I've seen of the army lads on the tv in afgan and iraq, they often get dropped in the crap with poor equipment, poor intelligence support and not a lot of backup.

They are often subject to luck of the draw attack, where your on patrol and the bomb goes off, doesn't matter who trained you, you are going to get hurt.

You'd have to pay me more to go with them than the marines or para's.

[druadan]

Yes we're seeing a lot of action, but by comparison SF still do a lot more and at higher risk, they're not just advancing to contact in force like we are. It is an entirely different job, regardless of how it 'used' to be paid.

I don't agree with us or the Paras getting vastly more than regular Army units - after all most of the time they are doing the same job we do. Maybe Para/Bootneck training deserves a small bonus in the same way as Para Pay or Flying Pay, but you have to argue that all front line units should be paid more or less equally - as above, bullets don't discriminate.

[HCR]

Paras do get extra pay

[druadan]

HCR, as above, Para pay acknowledged. Now this has changed with JPA, so you only actually get the Para pay if you are in a job requiring the skill - for example in the Corps you will get it if you're in Recce Tp/BRF or similar, but if you're a Chef who just happened to get a place on a Para course years ago you won't. I assume Para Regt. would get it on permanent basis.

[HCR]

That JPA is f*cking sh*t what a rip off. Just like the new pension scheme they tried to con us into taking.

No LSSA bonus any more, I need about 7 days to get my second bonus which is around £2000 but Im not going to get it now even though Im off for most of the year again because JPA dont pay it.

They say the daily rate of LSSA as gone up to £25 aday. Yes if you have done over 4000 days. That 12 years on excersise or Ops. Then again the way things are going Im heading that way.

You dont get overtime or performance bonuses in the Military. The LSSA and its bonus was one way of getting something. And now they are taking that from us.

[Paratrooper01]

Simple answer HCR, leave the army and create a paramilitary group in England with its main aim of taking violent action against the MoD, including its offices as potential bomb targets, ministers private houses and vehicles etc.

F*ck it, thats me now on some government database for potential terrorism within the UK for the above paragraph!

Do your worst Tony you cnut.

[harry hackedoff]

Could`ve been worse mate.
You didn`t say "aerosol" "Nerve Agent" or "c@#t"

Duty spook at Men##### Hil# please take note

[Scottish_Kiwi]

You do not even get para pay in Recce Troop always anymore. As for having markedly different pay between Para/Marine and regular army i am not saying that at all but i do think that there should be something. A GD Marine earning 12k while out on the ground in Afghan really is a sorry state of affairs, considering he could be working in McDonalds and probably earning as much.

K

[Mossy]

A GD Marine earning 12k while out on the ground in Afghan really is a sorry state of affairs, considering he could be working in McDonalds and probably earning as much.

Probably the way I should of worded things. Sorry guys no dispespect intended!!

[GreyWing]

but like the point others on here are trying to make, no British service personnel in the U.K or Afganistan should be on less than someone in McDonalds.

[Pilgrim Norway]

Can't really resist this one ......

Beats my fiver a week over a ten year period -

AND - JR, Owdun and the other 'lads' probably started at less - jam jars or similar.......

AND the uniform - AND the girls - AND the beer at a shilling a pint