RAF Gunner Hostility

Paratrooper01 · Post by **Paratrooper01** » Sat 06 Jan, 2007 9:17 pm

stever wrote:btw if the raf regt dont do nothin but gate guard
whats the 2sqn raf regt chap doin in helmand workin with the danes i think ??

I believe he was working as a JTAC, or Forward Air Controller....which i have been told is the only decent job in the regiment.

wannabe_bootneck · Post by **wannabe_bootneck** » Sat 06 Jan, 2007 11:59 pm

Wrong, wrong, wrong para01, more duf gen about the regt, have seen the phot, it is in kandahar working with the canadians over there. I have a number of mates on II and it is hairy over there by all acounts, gate guard doesn't feature. If he was an FAC he wouldn't be in II sqn. he'd be on a TACP somewhere, however yes, TACPs ere out there with the raf regt with 3 PARA in Helmand, but you should know this para01 being a para and all?

Littlegreen · Post by **Littlegreen** » Tue 09 Jan, 2007 5:25 pm

Hello all,

Ground truth from Afghanistan - II Sqn are arbing around KAF, trying to decide whether or not they're trying to look like SF, or just pretending to be the real 2 Para. The RAF Regt is not currently in Helmand, although during 16 AAs time, the RAF Regt provided a number of very capable JTACs who all did an outstanding job. I suspect that those maroon sweatshirts would come off sharpish if the real Maroon Machine was in sight. Life is not hairy for II Sqn at all, although they are doing a damn good job of airfield defence, and fair play to them for it. I can't help that feel the RAF Regt are always trying to steal someone else’s identity because they're struggling with an inferiority complex. As examples I cite the unreasonably scruffy appearance (pretending to be SF), wearing excessive maroon clothing (pretending to be Para Reg), claiming to be part of the "Big Three" (Para’s, Royal and RAF Regt) - something that Royal and Para Reg have never heard of, never mind claimed to be part of. This isn't an uninformed derision of the RAF Regt, so please don't immediately reply with any unnecessary aggression or suggestions I don't know what I'm talking about. The RAF Regt has a role, it is a niche role, and they're very good at it. They're not, and never have been on a par with Royal or the Para Regt. It does a great disservice to their case to make such outlandish claims. Notwithstanding all of the above, there are some outstanding individuals in the RAF Regt, but the mean standard is well below that of Royal and Para Regt. For the militant amongst you, please take this in the spirit it is intended.

LG

Paratrooper01 · Post by **Paratrooper01** » Tue 09 Jan, 2007 6:30 pm

wannabe_bootneck wrote:TACPs ere out there with the raf regt with 3 PARA in Helmand, but you should know this para01 being a para and all?

I am well aware of the role of the TACP's and their involvement with my battalion during Herrick IV and some of them deservedly were awarded Military Crosses and other medals for their excellent work out there controlling air assets that no doubt saved many lives.

Back to the topic in hand, and hostility towards the RAF Regiment is only brought on by their own actions as excellently described above by 'Littlegreen'.

RAF Reginald · Post by **RAF Reginald** » Tue 09 Jan, 2007 10:21 pm

Littlegreen wrote: They're not, and never have been on a par with Royal or the Para Regt.LG

Performance on the final exercise for the JSFSG selections would suggest otherwise. Para Regt' attack bogged down, until assisted by RAF Regt contingent, Royals injured or exhausted, Brigadier forced to make embarassing retraction of pre-exercise anti RAF Regt comments.

But I'm not trying to 'big up' the RAF Regt, merely responding to, Oh so boring now, comments. My personal opinion is that we are all on the same side and are very good at the jobs we do. I do not have an in depth understanding of the Para Regt' or Royals (although I have worked with both plenty, all bloody good lads) so I would never judge them in the negative. However, everyone in all 3 services knows everything about the RAF Regt, it seems!!

Long Timer · Post by **Long Timer** » Tue 09 Jan, 2007 10:46 pm

Littlegreen.

A balanced post and I would agree with some of what you say.

However, point to note, and I speak with several tours on said Sqn under my belt, the wearing of maroon is not viewed as trying to emulate Para Regt by II Sqn pers (God forbid in fact), rather it is regarded as sign of generic Airborne Forces.

Paratrooper01,

Yet again you appear in an RAF Regt related thread, why is this dear boy, do tell.

Paratrooper01 · Post by **Paratrooper01** » Tue 09 Jan, 2007 11:11 pm

Long Timer wrote:Paratrooper01,

Yet again you appear in an RAF Regt related thread, why is this dear boy, do tell.

I apologise. I didnt realise my presence here was making you feel uneasy.

Long Timer · Post by **Long Timer** » Tue 09 Jan, 2007 11:48 pm

Paratrooper01 wrote:
I apologise. I didnt realise my presence here was making you feel uneasy.

No need to apologise dear chap; not uneasy, just interested in why your presence manifests in these particular threads.

Hostage_Negotiator · Post by **Hostage_Negotiator** » Wed 10 Jan, 2007 1:21 am

Nice to see informed and balanced opinions on this subject for a change!

Personally I've worked with all 3 units in various theatres and they're all the envy of the rest of the so - called western world , so crack on lads!
Top job (if different from each other!)

Paratrooper01 · Post by **Paratrooper01** » Wed 10 Jan, 2007 11:01 am

Long Timer wrote:just interested in why your presence manifests in these particular threads.

This topic makes very interesting discussion.

Long Timer · Post by **Long Timer** » Wed 10 Jan, 2007 1:25 pm

Paratrooper01 wrote: This topic makes very interesting discussion.

So when are you going to contribute something more than one line bite material?

Taffy-David · Post by **Taffy-David** » Sat 13 Jan, 2007 9:46 pm

I jus got back from Afghan and we didnt stag on any gate once. We were providing a QRF, Mortars on call and patrolling about 12 diff villages like 15 miles out of the front gate day and night. We were doing 18km (Outisde the wire) foot patrols with GPMGs etc. We didnt stag on once... We spent a week up in Helmand going through Lash, Kandahar City, Camp Bastion, Price Barracks etc. We convoyed over 110 miles with the Danes and Canadians. Caught an 8 man Taliban rocket team, secured the downed Nimrod, recovered bodies and recovered kit. We also worked with the SAS. Anyone thinking all we do is stag on gates is much mistaken or just ignorant. We were constantly out the gate trying to capture the t*ats firing rockets into our camp. And saying about infantry standards... The SAS and SBS is made up of RAF Reg, Paras and RM... that should say something, also not forgetting the new Rangers unit...

Taffy-David · Post by **Taffy-David** » Sat 13 Jan, 2007 9:50 pm

Not that Id ever get in the Specials mind

larry182 · Post by **larry182** » Fri 26 Jan, 2007 11:09 am

do you know how many lads from 34 hav pvrd since coming back from afghan?

Chas · Post by **Chas** » Wed 21 Feb, 2007 8:47 am

RAF Regt. was highly regarded. In the 50s' many Booties transferred
to the Regt. since promotion was much faster. In the early fifties in the
Corps it took 8 years to make Cpl. 10/12 for Sgt- Colours 12 +and
WO2 15+. No doubt Royal's input was useful. Finally all units in a
warefare situation contribute to the wellbeing of the whole and I
believe we should remember this despite the banter.

Yours aye- Chas- Bootie- Colonial Police & Queen's Regt.HSF.

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