Saddam Hussein to Hang

[xcj]

If he hadn't of rulled Iraq in the first place then maybe we wudn't of had these troubles that are happening there.

no sh*t!

[GreyWing]

Ghangis Khan, Salidin, Richard 1st, Alexandra the great, Most people who honour these icons as great commanders, totally ignore the fact that everyone one of them did exactly what Saddam did, they were all war criminals.

Saddam never harmed any British interest, never attacked Britain. He never threatened Britain. So I have no problem at all in defending his methods. Saddam was a logical person in an ilogical region, and he scared the "bleep" out of people thinking of becoming suicide bombings, How? He did it in 2 ways, controlled the media, so no one would ever hear that there had been a suicide attack and therefore the attack would be pointless, and 2, he would have found the bombers brother, mother, sister, father, cousin, nieghbour, girlfriend, girlfriends family and would have hung the whole lot of them from the nearest tree after a round of torture. So he gave the suicide bomber something to think about,

He was better in charge of iraq than we are, let him out.

On the "if he hadn't have ruled iraq in the first place, maybe none of this would have happened"

The US would just have found someone else to make it happen, he was there puppet to start with, until he started pulling his own strings and they dropped him.

[Paratrooper01]

He never threatened Britain

But the whole point we invaded was because of the "dodgy dossier" and it stating that saddam had long range weapons capable of having chemical/biological warheads fixed to them which would directly threaten Britain and the west. What would have happened had we left Iraq alone, no weapons inspectors or anything? He kicked off with Iran, and then gassed his own people, who knows weather an influence from Al'Qaeda could have led to a terrorist attack on the west?

We just dont know, and thats why im sort of glad things went as they did even though we have payed, and continue to pay a heavy price for peace.

[GreyWing]

The threat against Britain was made up by others to make a case against Saddam, never Saddam. Saddam had nothing to do with it.

Saddam could have been the greatest allie in the war on terror. He hated our enemies as much as we did. Anyone for one moment thought that he had anything to do with 9 / 11 was in cloud cuckoo land. Saddam would have seen these people as a threat to his reign.

If we'd have left him there, we'd have 3,000 more american troops , 120 + British and countless coalition men alive today. Plus the biggest allie in the region we could ever have asked for. If we could have done the correct diplomatic work, he may even have supllied troops to fight the militants in afganistan. Yep you probably think that's pie in the sky, but those same comments would have been said 5 years ago about lybia supplying us with inteligence about these islamci fundermentalists. Fact is that Gaddafi and Saddam are logical survivors,

We missed one hell of an opportunity because he was toppled, I fear the fundermental Christians in america just as much as I fear fundermentalist in islam. They are both as crazy as each other.

[anglo-saxon]

The problem with hanging the man is, IMO:

a. The sentence of death means little to a Muslim. In their minds they just get to paradise and their 72 virgins all the quicker; and

b. Saddam will be made a martyr of, which will fuel far more problems than it solves.

My vote would be to encarcerate him in austere conditions for the rest of his life. Firstly, he will suffer all the greater for his wickedness (at least this side of the grave), and secondly he will fail in his bid to go out with a bang, as it were. Far better for those who support him to know he is growing old in a concrete cell than to be able to uphold him as a dead hero.

[bird]

Some good posts from greywing I like what you are saying,

If we'd have left him there, we'd have 3,000 more american troops , 120 + British and countless coalition men alive today.

Adding to this we have fuled terrorism and given them the biggest excuse they could of asked for. It isn't our problem at the end of the day and do you really think 7/7 bombing would of happened if we had not of invaded iraq? I wanna hear Blair and Bush not say they were wrong for invading but also i wanna hear them bring our troops back and apologise to the nation who will suffer to the hands of these brainwashed parasites.

Its all about oil at the end of the day. Millions have been slaughtered in congo in the last 10 year and all over africa who cared then?. So i don't wanna hear about doing the right thing for iraq because it's completly and utterly not true.

Just my tupance worth rant over. P.S i would rather have saddam killing Iraqies than radicals killing us.

Grey wing i also agree with you about american extremist christians, brainwashed and angry with everything springs to mind.

[GreyWing]

Bird your absolutley right when you say oil, the genocide in darfuw, we can't even be bothered to send a goverment minister nevermind a peace keeping force, makes iraq look like a saturday night brawl. I wondered what we were doing in afganistan until I saw a program the other night, a planned pipe line from the north directly through afganistan to pakistan and then the sea, oh and they have just found massive reserves of oil inside afganistan, Pure coincidence.

As for Iraq, Saddam killed less in that country in 40 years than what's been killed in under 4 years of us in charge.

Least the christian taliban in the US got shown the door this week, just one more door to show the president and then that government will be respected throughout the world again. George Bush speaks for God no more than Bin Laden speaks for Allah.

To be honest Bird, I think 7/7 was on tha cards anyway, unfortunatley at this moment in time, it's cool to be a victim in Britain. A great interview with a muslim on tv the other day, one of the few who I heard talking sense and he said
"your 25 working in the family book shop 13 hours a day, praying 3-4 hours a day and living with your brothers, sisters and parents as you can't get a mortgage with it being against islamic tradition. Then out of the darkness comes someone who gives you the opportunity to be one of God's special soldiers, to fight on an international stage, to be someone that matters, a person that's taken a stand and stood up to be counted.

I personally think Iraq had nothing to do with it, the fact that they have nothing in life to look forward to, will unfortunatley lead some to fall for that crap, it happens to vulnerable teenagers with peadophiles, it's simply a technique for grooming the mentally weak. If the reason wasn't iraq it would have been because the way we left palestine, with isreal in charge (even though we didn't). They would have found any excuse to groom them with.

Possible the reason 7/7 happened is because we've lost control of our borders, and if we weren't watching the countless idiots coming from abroad, we would have the resources and time to watch the home grown crew. The fact that 7/7 bombers were flagged by MI5, is vindication of the security services, the fact that we had to de-flaged them is down to the resources available from politicians.

[Brian-]

To be honest Bird, I think 7/7 was on tha cards anyway, unfortunatley at this moment in time, it's cool to be a victim in Britain. A great interview with a muslim on tv the other day, one of the few who I heard talking sense and he said
"your 25 working in the family book shop 13 hours a day, praying 3-4 hours a day and living with your brothers, sisters and parents as you can't get a mortgage with it being against islamic tradition. Then out of the darkness comes someone who gives you the opportunity to be one of God's special soldiers, to fight on an international stage, to be someone that matters, a person that's taken a stand and stood up to be counted.

You think that's talking sense? What's the f@#k's wrong with you?

You actually sound like you sympathise with these twats.

[bird]

Brian its just a different perspective on things. I wouldn't piss on terrorists if they were on fire. But there is different ways of looking at things.

Greywing i agree with your post but most of the bombers in 7/7 were 2nd generation so it's hard to moniter who is coming in. They shouldn't of been let in, in the first place but there we go not much we can do about it.

Muslims devote their lives to islam, literally. So you are right, all you need is someone with capability to leave an impression to twist that faith and you have dangerous terrorist. My view let Saddam hang, and pull our troops out atleast if he hangs then our troops wouldn't of died for completly nothing. Let them kill each other i couldn't bat an eyelid.

[Alfa]

Saddam never harmed any British interest

What about when he invaded Kuwait? Or when he decided to sell his oil in Euros instead of Dollars to try and get OPEC to do the same and therefore crash the US ecconomy, do you think that wouldn't have harmed us?

If he'd have been successful and crashed the US ecconomy all of Europe and in fact the world would have been plunged into recession and we could kiss bye bye to our comfortable life styles for a good while.

And before anyone starts going on about "it's all about oil" as if oil only matters to governments and rich companies what would you do if petrol prices were £100 a gallon, you couldn't heat your house etc etc.....

I believe the Iraq War was driven by ecconomics, plus George Bush's personal vendetta against Saddam for trying to kill his dad. If left unchecked Saddam could have seriously damaged our ecconomy and that would effect everyone in Britain so in that way it was a war to protect our comfortable way of life, ie NHS, schools, transport etc..., which, in my opinion, is not a bad excuse to go to war although you could never admit to fighting a war over money these days.

That's just my personal opinion you can agree or disagree that's your right

[GreyWing]

You actually sound like you sympathise with these twats.

Yep, and we should be "SEEN" to feel sorry for them, do you think they are gullable little fools who were tricked by the real terrorists, or do you think those 4 that blew themselves up were devine warriors sent on a devine mission. I personally don't care one way or the other about these idiots, but we must make them look like victims, the more we make them look like victims the harder it is for the Imans and loony mullahs to sell the next deadbeats the idea of being a Martyr.

We need to fight these people by removing raw emotions and anger and fight them with reason. This country has always been first class with it's inteligence work and the unseen work that's done by our guys. This is how to fight these guys, not by ranting and raving at them, just knock on there door in the middle of the night and bang there in belmarsh, but lets start rolling out the treason charges with life in prison, life meaning life.

Personally for all those on those marches, with signs reading "death to UK soldiers in Iraq" ect. I'd like to pick those guys up in the middle of the night fly them out to iraq, couple of rounds to the head and dump them outside one of the U.K bases, then report they were in iraq trying to kill soldiers as they said they wanted to do. After a couple of their mates have turned up dead, they might start to fear the unknown, and the unknown is all around. it's never going to happen in this country, but it'd make these chaps think twice, your probably saying you agree with the idea of what I'm saying, then again you'd be agreeing with Saddams methods at the same time.

There is 2 missing on control orders in the U.K, wouldn't surpise me if those 2 popped up in basra dead.

[Alfa]

Thought this topic from arsse was quite appropriate to what we're talking about so here's the link:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/vie ... 51089.html

[chassytots]

Personally I think people like that should have to undergo medical experiementation for the rest of their lives that way they can give something back to the world they destroyed!

[grope2]

I believe that he should be punished for his crimes and genocide but we have seen that violence is the only way of mantaining order and Saddam Hussain's people were under authority and were controlled and we have seen what as happened since we took away that authority, democracy won't work here, it'll almost be like a repitition of WW1 Germany when they rejected democracy, as one dictator falls another will always rise quickly ,after the struggle and the fighting, to take his place.

[Artist]

When Iraq invaded Iran back in 1980 they had the covert backing of the USA and most of the Western Powers as at the time the Iranians were seen as the real threat (I still think they are). Back then Saddam was seen as a useful tool to be used as and when he was needed to do the Wests dirty work in that part of the world.

After 1988 when the war finished Saddam cast around for another country to invade. Cue Kuwait. From then on once the Western worlds oil supplies were seen to be threatened the man and his regime were doomed. As to hanging him. Yes.

If he is left in prison then over time he will be seen by his fellow countrymen as the one person who faced up to the Western Powers. His acts of genocide will be neatly forgotten by the extremist's who even now are bringing Iraq to the brink of all out civil war. The Troops now deployed in that country will have their work cut out just to survive regardless of how much firepower they tote aorund with them.

Because if the entire population say enough is enough just how long do you think seven thousand troops in Basra are going to last when a few hundred thousand hacked off Iraqies go for them? Ditto the Yank troops in Baghdad and the rest of the country.

Artist