I offer this link to anyone who doesn't know or understand how bad life is for innocent people in Afghanistan. Caution this isnt for the faint hearted. It's a campaign put down by the women in Afghanistan to show the world the horrific situations and actions that are took by the taliban regime.
** This is not shown filtered down but as it is out there so dont expect this to be anything but extremely disturbing. **
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How bad are things for the innocent occupants of Afghanistan
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Look closely friends, Just seems to be an anti-American website. "SF soldiers from the 5th SF group massacre 3000, Taliban prisoners" This is beyond nonsense, clearly propaganda.
First to Fire!!!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
USARMY
Have you really read this website? I've only spent 5 mins skimming through it and I can't find a single anti-American sentiment??? It seems to be about how the Taliban oppressed women and the post-Taliban "regime" continues in the same vein, although not so vigorously. Last week some women passed their driving tests (although this may have been a propaganda media event).
Anyway, what are you reading that's so anti-American?? Maybe if I spend more time reading it I'll find something but if it's there, it's well hidden. US paranoia???????????
Have you really read this website? I've only spent 5 mins skimming through it and I can't find a single anti-American sentiment??? It seems to be about how the Taliban oppressed women and the post-Taliban "regime" continues in the same vein, although not so vigorously. Last week some women passed their driving tests (although this may have been a propaganda media event).
Anyway, what are you reading that's so anti-American?? Maybe if I spend more time reading it I'll find something but if it's there, it's well hidden. US paranoia???????????
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This site was actually pulled off the web for a short time as it shows the execution of a woman in the Football Stadium... Nasty. There was a follow up documentary about this on the BBC (maybe ITV) and it showed that the woman was not guilty. Her husband was killed and the wife took the blame even though she was getting seven shades of brown stuff kicked out of her every day by her hubby. He daughter had enough and topped him. The mother coughed to it and was shot in the head because she couldn't afford the blood money to her dead hubbys family.
I didn't see any anti US sentiment here... loads of anti Talliban and a bit aimed at the new regime. USARMY please point it out to us.
I didn't see any anti US sentiment here... loads of anti Talliban and a bit aimed at the new regime. USARMY please point it out to us.
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No problem, scroll down about 3/5 of the page till you get to "Recent reports from Afghanistan". The site seems to be bitterly against the Northern Alliance, which is not surprise considering how many different sects there are in that country. Everything seems to either be the Northeren Alliance's fault or US Military. I just wonder who they think has provided them with all this new found freedom....
First to Fire!!!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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I wouldn't say it is Anti American... I would say it is anti male though!
I think the writers of this site expected a 'quick fix' after the talliban were ousted and as they didn't get one they are upset... it is a site by women after all and they are never going to be happy!
The report on the children being killed by US troops is probably correct... I saw the 4 hour wait and the fact that the troops continued the mortar firing as a language problem not an attack on the guys carrying out the firing. We all know that if we were carrying out a similar exercise and someone came running up waving their arms shouting in a foreign language we would not have a clue what they were shouting about and probably ingnore them knowing that the local authorities ahd told us the local population was told to stay clear. We would do as we were advised and not go into a live firing range... these were kids who have lived with people firing live rounds as a part of everyday life.
The reported rapes say that they were carried out by northern alliance troops with strong links to the US forces. They do not say that US forces were involved; the point they are trying to make here, I believe, is that they would have hoped that some of the US troops character and morals might have been adopted by the Northern Alliance troops but this was not the case. i.e. The Northern Alliance troops had not taken any of these morals and were continuing as, perhaps, they always have.
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I think the writers of this site expected a 'quick fix' after the talliban were ousted and as they didn't get one they are upset... it is a site by women after all and they are never going to be happy!
The report on the children being killed by US troops is probably correct... I saw the 4 hour wait and the fact that the troops continued the mortar firing as a language problem not an attack on the guys carrying out the firing. We all know that if we were carrying out a similar exercise and someone came running up waving their arms shouting in a foreign language we would not have a clue what they were shouting about and probably ingnore them knowing that the local authorities ahd told us the local population was told to stay clear. We would do as we were advised and not go into a live firing range... these were kids who have lived with people firing live rounds as a part of everyday life.
The reported rapes say that they were carried out by northern alliance troops with strong links to the US forces. They do not say that US forces were involved; the point they are trying to make here, I believe, is that they would have hoped that some of the US troops character and morals might have been adopted by the Northern Alliance troops but this was not the case. i.e. The Northern Alliance troops had not taken any of these morals and were continuing as, perhaps, they always have.
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The people who provided the Afghan women with "this new found freedom" are the same people that provided them with the Taliban and the same people who weren't too fussed about chemical weapons as long as they only used them on the Kurds or the Iranians. They are the same people who pumped depleted uranium into southern Iraq causing a huge increase in childhood cancer in Basra and the same people who think "collateral damage" of thousands of civilians so that they don't have to risk Jim-Bob's life is acceptable - can you see a picture emerging?
US ARMY - you've popped up on this site bragging like a child in a playground that my dad is bigger than yours (turning the UK into an aircraft carrier - have you heard of Fylingdales?......no?.....thought not) and urging the viewing former, serving and prospective Royal Marine Commando's - shall I say that again - Royal Marine Commando's - to "take a gut check". Well where are you? Blanket-stacking in some US base? Or do you have a ringside seat for the hi-tech carnage that is about to happen? Either way I doubt that you will see close up the faces of the people you want killed. As bootnecks we stand to be judged by our own actions and don't need to derive some kind of glory from the actions of others.
What will hapen when the dim reaper Bush, urged on by what appears over here to be a baying public, has bombed Iraq 'back to the stone age' or whatever pathetic euphemism you use? Will the mighty superpower just sod off and leave a mess from which more extreme factions can flourish. Most commentators believe that SH was no friend of Al Queda - well here's a push in that direction. Have you read much about the Russian campaign in Chechnya? ....no?.....thought not.
Who's next after this one - North Korea? Don't think so. The mighty superpower has already backed down to a country who's chief export is ballistic technology (to the highest bidder) and who has stated clearly that it is enriching uranium for its weapons programme. Do you think the envious world regards this lack of integrity and moral fibre with anything other than contempt? And what exactly are we envious of?
I generally take people as I find them but if you are a personification of Americanism (I don't believe you are) then the sooner it disappears up its well fed, witless, peurile and uncultured arse the better. But I fear it won't be until after the world has been made a far more dangerous place.
Finally - First to fire? The families of 11 Fusiliers killed in the last Gulf war will understand exactly what that means.
US ARMY - you've popped up on this site bragging like a child in a playground that my dad is bigger than yours (turning the UK into an aircraft carrier - have you heard of Fylingdales?......no?.....thought not) and urging the viewing former, serving and prospective Royal Marine Commando's - shall I say that again - Royal Marine Commando's - to "take a gut check". Well where are you? Blanket-stacking in some US base? Or do you have a ringside seat for the hi-tech carnage that is about to happen? Either way I doubt that you will see close up the faces of the people you want killed. As bootnecks we stand to be judged by our own actions and don't need to derive some kind of glory from the actions of others.
What will hapen when the dim reaper Bush, urged on by what appears over here to be a baying public, has bombed Iraq 'back to the stone age' or whatever pathetic euphemism you use? Will the mighty superpower just sod off and leave a mess from which more extreme factions can flourish. Most commentators believe that SH was no friend of Al Queda - well here's a push in that direction. Have you read much about the Russian campaign in Chechnya? ....no?.....thought not.
Who's next after this one - North Korea? Don't think so. The mighty superpower has already backed down to a country who's chief export is ballistic technology (to the highest bidder) and who has stated clearly that it is enriching uranium for its weapons programme. Do you think the envious world regards this lack of integrity and moral fibre with anything other than contempt? And what exactly are we envious of?
I generally take people as I find them but if you are a personification of Americanism (I don't believe you are) then the sooner it disappears up its well fed, witless, peurile and uncultured arse the better. But I fear it won't be until after the world has been made a far more dangerous place.
Finally - First to fire? The families of 11 Fusiliers killed in the last Gulf war will understand exactly what that means.
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Sully I'm not going to respond to your uneducated openly hostile post. I am in a way a visitor here. So for the most part I've let you rant unchallenged. If you have questions that are difficult or challenging that you honestly want answer's to I will answer them the best I can. However I suggest you get your facts together first or you will be thoroughly embarrassed.
North Korean link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p ... 723133.stm
Iraq link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2718987.stm
These articles speak for themselves.
North Korean link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p ... 723133.stm
Iraq link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2718987.stm
These articles speak for themselves.
First to Fire!!!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Seriously though, your generally constructive response to what after all was a bit of a rant is to be applauded - and I think I did go a bit far at the end - for which I should apologise.
Unfortunately the BBC, good as it is, is often only as good as the information that is spun to it - the only fact that emerges form the Iraq report is that a report/plan exists - there is plenty of scope for a value judgement to be made. Regarding Korea "The US wants the Security Council to handle the crisis..." and "On Monday, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said President George W Bush still believed the North Korean stand-off could be resolved peacefully" could easily be read to support what I ranted about. Information doesn't speak for itself, it is often given for a purpose and it requires an act of interpretation by the receiver.
Because someone doesn't see things the same as you doesn't make them 'uneducated' - a heretic maybe - perhaps I need to be educated to see things the 'true' way. This kind of closed belief system was a classic product of totalitarian states throughout the last century and we all know what evil seeped out of them.
It's not what you said that offended me my friend its the way that you said it
Unfortunately the BBC, good as it is, is often only as good as the information that is spun to it - the only fact that emerges form the Iraq report is that a report/plan exists - there is plenty of scope for a value judgement to be made. Regarding Korea "The US wants the Security Council to handle the crisis..." and "On Monday, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said President George W Bush still believed the North Korean stand-off could be resolved peacefully" could easily be read to support what I ranted about. Information doesn't speak for itself, it is often given for a purpose and it requires an act of interpretation by the receiver.
Because someone doesn't see things the same as you doesn't make them 'uneducated' - a heretic maybe - perhaps I need to be educated to see things the 'true' way. This kind of closed belief system was a classic product of totalitarian states throughout the last century and we all know what evil seeped out of them.
It's not what you said that offended me my friend its the way that you said it
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Okay, I gues I was showing my @ss a little bit. But I'm sure you understand my frustration. Information is key. The BBC report about Korea was 8 hours old when I posted it. Take my word for it alot has changed since. The world is in a very dangerous place right now.
And since I couldn't find an article to post on the rebuilding of Iraq I'll just tell you. According to FOX new's the US Congress is putting together a plan to be in Iraq for 25 years kinda like our occupation of Germany and Japan. That shows alot of dedication for our desire to help the Iraqi people. Or control of oil, either way the Iraqi citizen will benefit.
And since I couldn't find an article to post on the rebuilding of Iraq I'll just tell you. According to FOX new's the US Congress is putting together a plan to be in Iraq for 25 years kinda like our occupation of Germany and Japan. That shows alot of dedication for our desire to help the Iraqi people. Or control of oil, either way the Iraqi citizen will benefit.
First to Fire!!!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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Hopefully we can dump the responsibility off to you GUYS!!! 
You can call it Lesser Britian, or maybe Average Britian!!!
That Lawrence sure was popular with the Arab folk.
Any takers, hun...sure is quite.
You can call it Lesser Britian, or maybe Average Britian!!!
That Lawrence sure was popular with the Arab folk.
Any takers, hun...sure is quite.
First to Fire!!!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
The BBC correpsondent in Baghdad filled his multi litre Septic flat bed with 125 litres of fuel. How much would that be in the UK? £96.12p
American $ @ 0.65 per £ = $147+. So please don't whisper it's not about oil, please, we have to mortgage our families if we want to drive anywhere!
American $ @ 0.65 per £ = $147+. So please don't whisper it's not about oil, please, we have to mortgage our families if we want to drive anywhere!
You should talk to somebody who gives a f**k.
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don't mean to be pedantic, but....
it was 160 litres for £2.
