While surfing the WWW I came across the video, I decided to watch it and was absolutly fcking shocked at what I saw. How people there can be so cruel and unhuman just beats me round the ears with a blunt stick.
It also got me thinking about death, first one man is decapitated, they cut off half first and let him roll around in pain for a while first before finishing it off, what is going through his mind at that time? Then they walk up to the rest of the hostages lined up face down on the floor and shoot them one by one, how they just lie there and accept their fate I can't understand. I would atleast try and fling myself at them, even if it was just symbolic, atleast I tried something.
Sorry about this, I'm quite disturbed by what I saw I had to say something somewhere
Gary_amsterdam wrote:While surfing the WWW I came across the video, I decided to watch it and was absolutly fcking shocked at what I saw. How people there can be so cruel and unhuman just beats me round the ears with a blunt stick.
It also got me thinking about death, first one man is decapitated, they cut off half first and let him roll around in pain for a while first before finishing it off, what is going through his mind at that time? Then they walk up to the rest of the hostages lined up face down on the floor and shoot them one by one, how they just lie there and accept their fate I can't understand. I would atleast try and fling myself at them, even if it was just symbolic, atleast I tried something.
Sorry about this, I'm quite disturbed by what I saw I had to say something somewhere
Gary
I saw it too, mate and I'm still shocked. It's sad that there are still barbarians around who do this kind of thing. The fact that they cut his head halfway and let him choke is just despicable. Then they shot another person in order to let him/her die slowly. Just sick.
Why we treat these people with kid gloves is beyond me. I know it's to say that we're better than that, but sometimes you just have to stand up and fight fire with fire.
Remember, knowledge is power, unless you forget it all.
I downloaded it for the sake of preserving it, but I havn't watched it yet. There are other videos similar to it, and as far as I'm concerned once I've seen one I've seen them all.
"It's sad that there are still barbarians around..."
Still are, and always will be. Untill we can manipulate society through greater preventative and retributive measures to produce less of the disturbed people out there, there will always be stories like this (and the videos for people to tut their heads at afterwards) in the news.
Two Australians kidnapped yesterday. All Australian forces have to be withdrawn within 24 hours or there will be another video to download from "ogrish" or "steakandcheese" or wherever these things enter the Western world from.
i wathced the 1st 5 secs and just couldnt bring myslef to watch the rest!!
these guys are totally indescribable! (well maybe not!) But i dont know what to do with them cos the natural reaction is to want to put their nuts in a vice and just keep spinning the lever. If we do that tho, we become as bad as them, i think the best we could do is to hold a gun to their head, tell them there are no virgins in paradise waiting for him then blow his brains out and leave the body to rot!!!
nice plain simple death which does not lower us to their level but gets the job done!!!
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I think you need to bear in mind just what has been going on over in Nepal. there is a rather bloody civil war with communist suppoprted guerrillas who have been putting to death in the most horrible ways any one that does not support them or has anything to do the Government of that country. So if one of these people falls into their hands do you think they will be treated like the IRA terrorist over here?? or will they get the same sort punishment that they have been dealing out.
I've been wanting to reply to this thread since it was posted but I couldn't work out exactly what I wanted to say.
Forgive me if this response is a little 'off topic' but I think it's relevant to the main thrust of the original post.
I can never decide where I stand on the release of this type of 'video footage' - there is a part of me which thinks maybe everyone should be made to see the levels of barbarity which are perpetrated but, on the other, I often think the real issues can get confused when such footage gets posted on sites such as 'ogrish' (or whatever it's called) since their motivation for doing so is questionable to say the least.
A while back I saw quite a bit of footage, very similar to the footage referred to on this thread only it hailed from Afghanistan (pre-2002.) Much of it took place in a central stadium in Kabul, the money to build which had been given to the Talibani government by the West in order that they could have a football stadium. They built the stadium and turned it into a kind of modern-day Gladiatorial arena. Crowds baying for blood whilst dazed and confused 'criminals' (usually women who had committed adultery or people who had in some way talked in an anti-Taliban fashion) were paraded around the stadium in an open-backed jeep. They were then taken out of the jeep. Many were made to sit on what was ostensibly the 'touchline' where they were executed, others were thrown into the middle of the stadium and the 'victims' of their crimes were allowed to 'come on down' and have their revenge. Wrist and foot disarticulations were carried out, the amputated body parts were then paraded around the stadium hanging around the necks of the amputators. All of this footage was abhorrent, literally nauseating and obscene. However, the fact that much of this footage subsequently got released on sites such as 'ogrish' (amongst other such sites ..... 'rotten' being another one) concerned me for another reason entirely.
For people who've never seen such atrocities before there is a tendency, I believe, for them to imagine that these hideous images are somehow representative of an entire culture. That somehow ALL Iraqis, or ALL Afghanis support this kind of behaviour. Whereas the real truth is that, of course, they do not. They are, in the main, equally appalled by such footage. The scenes of the crowds baying for blood in the Kabul stadium were more representative of mass hysteria induced by fear than by any approval on the part of the 'audience'.
It concerns me that some people who see this footage on the W.W.W. do not go away with any idea of the real situation, no understanding of what is going on, just the natural disgust and abhorrence which anyone would feel seeing such things. I don't want anyone to think that I have any sympathy with the people who carried out the execution on the Nepalese man, I don't. But I do worry when this kind of thing is released onto the internet. The anger which we all feel over such things sometimes ends up with people condemning an entire culture because of the actions of a few derranged individuals and can surely only serve to heighten the tension and increase the likelihood that such atrocities will continue to occur.
Whilst on my first tour of Bosnia, I entered a village which had previously been visited by Chetnik irregulars.
I had just passed my Linguists course and was the OCs speaker.
There was a smouldering mass in the centre of the village and we exited extreme caution whilst closing in on the scene. There were very few people left alive in the village, mainly old women, kneeling and wailing.
When we got closer to the burning heap in the middle of the square we realised that bodies, human bodies had been piled up and set alight. On closer inspection, we found infants, youngsters and young women.
The smell was intollerable, choking - it smelt of burnt bacon. You were trying to evade the smoke not only because it stung your eyes but the mere thought of inhaling people was enough to make your stomach churn.
I was more than glad when my OC stepped toward an elderly woman and told me to ask her what had happened.
She explained that hours earlier, Chetnik troops came looking for men and boys and when they couldn´t find any they took several girls "for fun" and executed the rest and started to burn them; they then turned and concentrated on the home for the disabled - disabled children - slinging them into the raging fire. Cutting open the stomach of one of the nurses and sticking an infant inside her belly before shoving her screaming into the flames.
Looking back at the fire I could see hands sticking out, as if they were desperate to grab a hand which would drag them out, help them, save them.
I saw further attrocities day in day out. I had to speak with people, with people who had commited these crimes but you were not allowed to touch these so called humans.
I felt so alone in those days and I ended up hating the Army. I was 20 years old. I was 45 when I left 7 months later.
Anyone who downloads those clips and watches them deserves to be sick. There is nothing, absolutely nothing to be seen in those videos but the senseless suffering and sad death of innocent people.
martin1001 wrote:Whilst on my first tour of Bosnia, I entered a village which had previously been visited by Chetnik irregulars.
I had just passed my Linguists course and was the OCs speaker.
There was a smouldering mass in the centre of the village and we exited extreme caution whilst closing in on the scene. There were very few people left alive in the village, mainly old women, kneeling and wailing.
When we got closer to the burning heap in the middle of the square we realised that bodies, human bodies had been piled up and set alight. On closer inspection, we found infants, youngsters and young women.
The smell was intollerable, choking - it smelt of burnt bacon. You were trying to evade the smoke not only because it stung your eyes but the mere thought of inhaling people was enough to make your stomach churn.
I was more than glad when my OC stepped toward an elderly woman and told me to ask her what had happened.
She explained that hours earlier, Chetnik troops came looking for men and boys and when they couldn´t find any they took several girls "for fun" and executed the rest and started to burn them; they then turned and concentrated on the home for the disabled - disabled children - slinging them into the raging fire. Cutting open the stomach of one of the nurses and sticking an infant inside her belly before shoving her screaming into the flames.
Looking back at the fire I could see hands sticking out, as if they were desperate to grab a hand which would drag them out, help them, save them.
I saw further attrocities day in day out. I had to speak with people, with people who had commited these crimes but you were not allowed to touch these so called humans.
I felt so alone in those days and I ended up hating the Army. I was 20 years old. I was 45 when I left 7 months later.
Anyone who downloads those clips and watches them deserves to be sick. There is nothing, absolutely nothing to be seen in those videos but the senseless suffering and sad death of innocent people.
Had to be said!
That is a sad story, some people really have no heart. Its innocent children who have done nothing wrong. But thats life it seems, i am just glad i don't get to see them things, how could you have mercy if you caught the killers??
Get on "PARADE"
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The internet is a vast and twisted medium and it brings to us the opportunity to stand as witnesses to mans continued inhumanity to man.
The footage is horrific.
I don't need to see it.
I only have to read what you have said to know this.
The reaction shows that you, we, all have a common bond in humanity and the belief that it has a collective conjoins and a collective madness,
The idea that anyone can carry out such crimes is, perhaps thank God, beyond our comprehension, but not new.
We know that those who don't learn the mistakes of the past are condemned to repeat them.
After WW2 the Germany people where forced to watch the vile acts that their Government carried out in their name.
These same people and their children carry that memory, it was a lesson they have chosen never to forget. They have learned from it.
The Killing Fields stand still, and yet the Vietcong have decided that it is not a part of their history they have a need to remember, the killings and suffering continue. True a lessor scale, but no less violent.
These pictures will serve a purpose, perhaps sadly two.
The first is to horrify us to action that will; I hope one-day see and end to this suffering.
The second is to reinforce to others that the shock value does send us a message.
I'd like to say God forgives them and that He will judge not us.
But I can't.
God will not forgive them, He will never see them, only hell awaits them, and my judgement of them is as yours. They should die and never be allowed to pollute this world we live in.
martin1001 my heart goes out to you and those like you who can never explain how it feels. I visited my parents in Ethiopia as a teenager while they did aid work there at the height of the famine, I have no words.
Should we view this horror?
Only if you still believe there is a justice that protects the good or the righteous.
On forgiveness...are you talking from a religous standpoint?
If so, you should recognize that all sin is forgiveable, even the worst. There is only one sin recognized by both the Protestant and Catholic Churches alike...and that is rejection of the Holy Spirit.
But i don't think anyone should be too worried about how the Nepalese will take this. They already burnt the one and only mosque in Katmanhdu, torched all the korans in a public square, dragged several muslims out of their homes, etc.
While it might be easy to sit back and go "tisk, tisk, tisk"...it is certainly alot better than the placating reaction to Islamic aggression that has gripped the French and Spanish. Weasels.
"Don't mess around with the guy in shades at night" Corey Hart...and he means it too...
martin1001 wrote:Whilst on my first tour of Bosnia, I entered a village which had previously been visited by Chetnik irregulars.
I had just passed my Linguists course and was the OCs speaker.
There was a smouldering mass in the centre of the village and we exited extreme caution whilst closing in on the scene. There were very few people left alive in the village, mainly old women, kneeling and wailing.
When we got closer to the burning heap in the middle of the square we realised that bodies, human bodies had been piled up and set alight. On closer inspection, we found infants, youngsters and young women.
The smell was intollerable, choking - it smelt of burnt bacon. You were trying to evade the smoke not only because it stung your eyes but the mere thought of inhaling people was enough to make your stomach churn.
I was more than glad when my OC stepped toward an elderly woman and told me to ask her what had happened.
She explained that hours earlier, Chetnik troops came looking for men and boys and when they couldn´t find any they took several girls "for fun" and executed the rest and started to burn them; they then turned and concentrated on the home for the disabled - disabled children - slinging them into the raging fire. Cutting open the stomach of one of the nurses and sticking an infant inside her belly before shoving her screaming into the flames.
Looking back at the fire I could see hands sticking out, as if they were desperate to grab a hand which would drag them out, help them, save them.
I saw further attrocities day in day out. I had to speak with people, with people who had commited these crimes but you were not allowed to touch these so called humans.
I felt so alone in those days and I ended up hating the Army. I was 20 years old. I was 45 when I left 7 months later.
Anyone who downloads those clips and watches them deserves to be sick. There is nothing, absolutely nothing to be seen in those videos but the senseless suffering and sad death of innocent people.
Had to be said!
Sorry to digress a bit, but this leads to the events in Russia. If they are going this for the good for 'their country' or religon, why did many girls get raped? I beginning to think that this has become a poor excuse with most of the wars going on in the world today. I'm glad there was footage of this siege - as before it happened, a lot of people would have been sympathisers to their intial cause.
Going back to the original topic, I saw the clip of one American hostage beheaded - I wouldn't have believe it if I didn't see it. It turns my stomach whenI think if he knew what was going to happen to him or not. They had this man kneeling for 3 minutes while they read our some 'crap', poor poor soul
On forgiveness...are you talking from a religous standpoint?
If so, you should recognize that all sin is forgiveable, even the worst. There is only one sin recognized by both the Protestant and Catholic Churches alike...and that is rejection of the Holy Spirit.
Redhand. No.
I am talking from a moral standpoint based on the fact that as an instinct we are programmed to kill only to protect life and anything else is an act against the norm of nature.
I merely introduced the idea of God, as He is all encompassing on that idea as we look to our morals as being based on the Laws of Moses.
As to the idea that we might actually believe that these people, or indeed any of those fore mentioned, would be judged in the same manner as their victims is abhorrent.
It is a thought of comfort we use to allow a small, and mere, sense of peace to prevail that they will not be granted any form of reprieve.
Hmmm, forgiveness? I have a little book here, written by an 11 year old Iranian boy. It was published courtesy of a Scandinavian organisation after he, and the remains of his family, had escaped to the safety of Scandinavia.
The book is called 'Why Suffer From Grief?' and the boy is called Shervin. It's not as dramatic as the Nepalese execution but it's so poignant, coming from such a small child, that I think it's worth recording. He was imprisoned from the age of 9 for a year and a half and he says, about his book, "I have written this book because all Scandinavians and the whole world should know why I have come to another country."
Here is an excerpt from Shervin's book :
I went into a small room. A man pushed me and knocked me along. I was told to sit like that for 24 hours. Then they told me : "Your mother and father and your cousins and your sisters are all dead." They laughed and went out.
I cried. I cried for two or three days. I screamed and shouted for help. I was a small boy, I was only nine years old.
Then a man came in and beat me on the side of my head and said: "Shut up." He beat me very hard, right on my neck with a flat hand. He said: "Sit down." then he went out and closed the door, but I could that they were laughing outside.
I slept for several days and got nothing to eat. I had not seen the sun for a week.
Then a man came again. He knocked at the door with a bundle of keys. I had to come out. Then we went to a large room. "You must get up on this chair." He tied my arms to my feet. I looked like a chicken as I was standing on my knees on the chair with my feet towards the back of the chair. He said: "You must have a hood over your head. You are also to die like your mother and father and your sisters and your cousins."
A man came along. He shouted that I should come out. I was blindfolded but I could see a little below.
And so it goes on.........
From my own point of view, whilst I was giving evidence at The Hague, I had the chance to meet with my husband's killer. In fact, it was HE who requested a meeting with me. I thought about it and eventually decided to meet him. It was a very interesting experience and one which I'm entirely glad that I did. He desparately wants my forgiveness but he also knows that I cannot give it (maybe I will sometime, but not yet), I've stayed in written contact with him because I find it helpful to ME. This may well sound disloyal to my husband, but my own feeling is that it helped to exorcise some of the demons from my own mind and turned him from some type of 'faceless evil' into a real person to whom I could ask questions that I, personally, needed some answers to. That was helpful.
Forgiveness? .......... it's an interesting concept.
I had to say something somewhere 
