Sky Marshall's

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There has been a lot of talk the last couple of days about having Sky Marshall's on British Passenger Aircraft. Now would you be happy to travel on a plane with Air Marshall's. Or would you be applying for the job?. Also do you think that this is a good idea.

[Frank S.]

Question 1:
would I be happy or safer flying with a sky marshal on board? Not particularly. Dunno enough about who they'd be (background) or what training they'd receive.
Question 2:
I wouldn't apply for it. Too much time away from home, I hate flying and that'd be like waiting to be ambushed by tangos or just dealing with unruly passengers. Where's the fun?
Question 3:
well it's something. And it seems to have worked for El-Al. I don't think there's an end all solution to this particular problem, just a set of precautions to make flying more secure. As such it makes sense to me.

[old scaly back]

Who are these marshals going to be.
Could they be failed soldiers,failed policemen,power mad freaks.
The odds you are going to be hijacked are low at the moment.(how many planes have been hijacked since 9-11)
When it gets to a point where every other plane is hijacked then perhaps armed passengers are an option.
Would i do the job.
No,it would be boring as hell,are you to intervene when passengers get rowdy(you can always shoot them).
I think more thought on prevention before the event would be better.
Better scanning,Xray machinies for people etc.

[Blue Streak]

Sky Marshalls will be highly trained exsisting Police Firearms Officers, mainly drawn at a guess from the Met. They will come from departments such as SO19 and DPG. It won't be a free for all job application as many of the powers they will be using will be under the aviation act which only enpowers a 'Constable'.

[jlitt]

Well I believe Guns+pressurised aircraft= BAD
Maybe if they were armed with non-lethal/ non-piercing wepons it would not be so bad. (what about thoose bean bag gun things.)
Is it true that sky marshalls will be required of all carriers as a reqiurment of entering US airspace under certain conditions?

[Whitey]

I'd assume to not fly these days for the take off your shoes hassle alone.
Traveling sucks anyway for the most part. The airlines used to be almost the best part of the trip, now it all sucks.
I wonder though how many arabs/muslims would be interrested in harming the US if we'd just tell Tel Avive "Your own your own."?
Who cares, I figure when it is your time it is your time.
Air Marshals I think are a good idea, but the passengers should take safety into their own hands more often.
Damn got to go to Wal-Mart and buy something to make myself feel better.

[BenChug]

If the planes gonna crash into a building I would just giv'r and attack the terrorist that way you might at least live. I would almost call those people in the planes that didn't struggle and crash cowards, I certainly wouldn't call them heros as has been pushed upon the American people they were brutally murdered.

[druadan]

Watching the news report on this the other night made me laugh...they were debating the various deterrents to terrorist hi-jackings, one of which was to have fighters circling major cities to shoot down any plane that deviates from it's flight path towards a possible 'target.' Now, if you were a terrorist and you'd just hijacked a plane full of passengers, who'd seen this on the news, you'd have a small problem. 200 odd people have the choice to die crashing into a building, die getting shot down by a US fighter pilot, or possibly die trying to save the aircraft. 200 against 10 ain't good odds, even if the ten do have guns. I know which route I'd choose...any chance is better than none!!

[tyke172]

jlitt: I read that low velocity weapons would be used so as not to puncture the fuselage.

[Longshot]

Hi guys,
In my line of work I get to hear a bit more on this subject than most. These people will be highly trained and competent, not "failed" anythings.
They will still use lethal firearms, bean bag guns are not a tactical option when dealing with fanatical, suicidal, martyr wannabes - you gotta stop them immediately. Lastly, Air Marshalls will not become involved with unruly passengers. They should remain covert until absolutely necessary, even the cabin crew should not know who they are.
Cheers
Jack D

[Whitey]

The whole thing was fabricated. The planes were on auto pilot, the calls placed where faked, and there were secondary charges. I minor in Geology, the seismographs detected more than one explosion in NYC and two at the pentegon, the pentegon is interresting because it really does back up eye witnesses accounts of a plane hitting the helopad and a second rocket like object 30 seconds later hitting the building. This people never had a chance, nor were they heros. They were cannon fodder for an excuse to grab wealth and power. Like Pearl Harbor. Carriers out, no battle group escort, this suprised even the Japs, so the bombed obsolete ww1 vintage battle ships and did us a two fold favor, and you a favor as well. #1 it galvanized America, #2 it got us into the war, #3 it got rid of obsolete naval vessels to be replaced by contracts and modernized ships.
In my observation and knowledge of history American leaders care less about a few thousand lives when profit and power are to be made.
Civil War 650,000
WW1 a hundred thousand was it
WW2 double the first one?
Korea alot
Vietnam 59,000 approx
Gulf 1 180 suprisingly, but over 100,000 since the war due to a strange illness
Gulf 2 -4-500 and counting
So you see we are nothing more than nickles for the slot machine at the hands of a compulsive maniac.
Manufactured patriotism through arranged tradgedy.
If the people on the planes were so heroic, then lets hear the black box recordings and let another outside agency verify their authenticity. For that matter let a private organization investigate 9/11.
No they will never allow that.
I wonder what the next financial scheme will entail?

[Ex-URNU-Student]

Erm....i think you're getting a bit paranoid there Whitey!

I dont think sky marshals will make much difference either way. Its perfectly obvious if anyone tried any funny business he/she would get jumped by everyone else. And the ones in the US havent exactly been a roaring success either, lots of reports of missing weapons, drunkenness on duty etc etc. Mind you anythings better than arming the blooming pilot which is way OTT!

[Ex-URNU-Student]

Also is the correct term "sky" marshal or "air" marshal?

I bet some senior RAF officers are feeling a bit uneasy

[Sisyphus]

The whole thing was fabricated. If the people on the planes were so heroic, then lets hear the black box recordings and let another outside agency verify their authenticity. I wonder what the next financial scheme will entail?

Jees, whitey,

I was just getting sort of 'rational' on another thread with you and then you pop up with this.

I started a geology degree three years ago but am taking a 'sabbatical' - my head aches. My 'first love' is psychology and trying to work out how people tick. My 'educated' guess is that you need help. We all make irrational statements. But when they are as frequent and as disturbed as yours, then it's a matter for concern. Seek help!

Allegedly the 'heroes' were in the passenger cabin on the plane that crashed short. Black boxes only record radio transmissions from the cockpit.

So now the US Administration/Corporate Bigwigs 'engineered' 11th September to improve 'profits'? :crazyeyes: :crazyeyes:

If I knew how to register a vote on the Forum it would be:

How many people on the Forum think 11 Sept was:

a) A terrorist act by Al Qaeda

b) A devious plot by the US Govt

c) A devious plot by sinister capitalists

(or should that last one be - sinister socialists?)

[Sticky Blue]

The whole thing was fabricated.

Really!
Looks like you lost the plot over the new year Whitey...