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You all know the song, and if you don't then here it is:

"English 'til I die!
I'm English 'til I die!
I know I am I'm sure I am!
I'm English 'till I die!"


What do you think of this? I recieved it in an email but it's right:

An incident occurred in a supermarket recently, when the following was witnessed:

A Muslim woman dressed in a Burkha (A black gown & face mask) was standing with her shopping in a queue at the checkout.

When it was her turn to be served, and as she reached the cashier, she made a loud remark about the English Flag lapel pin, which the female cashier was wearing on her blouse.
The cashier reached up and touched the pin and said, 'Yes, I always wear it proudly. My son serves abroad with the forces and I wear it for him'.
The Muslim woman then asked the cashier when she was going to stop bombing and killing her countrymen, explaining that she was Iraqi.

At that point, a Gentleman standing in the queue stepped forward, and interrupted with a calm and gentle voice, and said to the Iraqi woman:
'Excuse me, but hundreds of thousands of men and women, just like this ladies son have fought and sacrificed their lives so that people just like YOU can stand here, in England, which is MY country and allow you to blatantly accuse an innocent check-out cashier of bombing YOUR countrymen'.
'It is my belief that if you were allowed to be as outspoken as that in Iraq, which you claim to be YOUR country, then we wouldn't need to be fighting there today'.
'However - now that you have learned how to speak out and criticise the English people who have afforded you the protection of MY country, I will gladly pay the cost of a ticket to help you pay your way back to Iraq '.
'When you get there, and if you manage to survive for being as outspoken as what you are here in England, then you should be able to help straighten out the mess which YOUR Iraqi countrymen have got you into in the first place, which appears to be the reason that you have come to MY country to avoid.'
Apparently the queue cheered and applauded.

IF YOU AGREE... Pass this on to all of your proud English friends..
I just did.............!!!


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Post by mfat_man »

A Muslim woman dressed in a Burkha
:roll: Would have to be wouldn't it... many people from different countries are happy to be here just seen the Polish couple I know have a do down the pub :P

But don't think that all forgieners are bad (although we have too many)
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kanedaRMC wrote:too bloody right! i got complaints from the immigrant saudis down my street for hanging my union jack flag outside MY window
If they don't like it the can piss off back to their own country.
Sorry I'm not a racist but things like that really get me going ! :evil:
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is it true you ahve to ask permission now from the council to put a england/british flag outside your house?
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I'd say this story was made up by someone with an axe to grind rather than a witness to an actual event.

It's just racism wrapped up in the flag and using the armed forces to make it more appealing to the masses.

I'm not saying there aren't people like the woman in the story because there clearly are people who behave/have opinions like that, however, I just don't buy this story it smells too much of BS to me.
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Post by Tartan_Terrier »

AJ this story has been doing the rounds for ages, not only that but it's utter bollox!

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/lapelpin.asp

Does this sound familiar?
One of my dear sons serves in the military. I'm a very proud Mom. He is still stateside here in California. He called me yesterday to let me know how warm and welcoming people were to him and his troops everywhere he goes. Telling me how people shake their hands, and thank them for being willing to serve and fight, for not only our own freedoms, but so that others may have them also.

But he also told me about an incident in the grocery store where he stopped yesterday, on his way home from the base. He said that ahead of several people in front of him stood a woman dressed in a burkha. He said when she got to the cashier she loudly remarked about the U.S. flag lapel pin the cashier wore on her smock.

The cashier reached up and touched the pin, and said, "Yes, I always wear it."

The woman in the burkha then asked the cashier when she was going to stop bombing her countrymen, explaining that she was an Iraqi.

A gentleman standing behind my son stepped forward, putting his arm around my son's shoulders, and nodding towards my son, said in a calm and gentle voice to the Iraqi woman, "Lady, hundreds of thousands of men and women like this young man have fought and died so that you could stand here, in MY country and accuse a checkout cashier of bombing your Countrymen. It is my belief that, had you been this outspoken in YOUR OWN country, we wouldn't need to be there today. But, hey! if you have now learned how to speak out so loudly and clearly, I'll gladly pay your way back to Iraq so you can straighten out the mess you are obviously here to avoid."

Everyone in line, and within hearing distance, cheered the older Gentleman, coming forward as they reached for their wallets. The woman in the burkha left the store in silence.

I am, like at least some that were in the store, outraged! But it also warmed my heart to know that we as Americans are speaking out, calmly and succinctly (finally) to those that enjoy the freedoms here in the US.

Hooray for Ann Rea's son, hooray for that checker, hooray for the gentleman in the store for his actions, hooray for Ann Rea for sharing this with all of us.

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Post by Sully »

I remember that one.

Here's another one from that site that is true (i.e. did John le Carré write an article about the collective madness of the USA?):

(http://www.snopes.com/rumors/lecarre.htm)
Subject: America's Madness - John Le Carre

The United States of America has gone mad
John le Carré

America has entered one of its periods of historical madness, but this is the worst I can remember: worse than McCarthyism, worse than the Bay of Pigs and in the long term potentially more disastrous than the Vietnam War. The reaction to 9/11 is beyond anything Osama bin Laden could have hoped for in his nastiest dreams. As in McCarthy times, the freedoms that have made America the envy of the world are being systematically eroded. The combination of compliant US media and vested corporate interests is once more ensuring that a debate that should be ringing out in every town square is confined to the loftier columns of the East Coast press.

The imminent war was planned years before bin Laden struck, but it was he who made it possible. Without bin Laden, the Bush junta would still be trying to explain such tricky matters as how it came to be elected in the first place; Enron; its shameless favouring of the already-too-rich; its reckless disregard for the world's poor, the ecology and a raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties. They might also have to be telling us why they support Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.

But bin Laden conveniently swept all that under the carpet. The Bushies are riding high. Now 88 per cent of Americans want the war, we are told. The US defence budget has been raised by another $60 billion to around $360 billion. A splendid new generation of nuclear weapons is in the pipeline, so we can all breathe easy. Quite what war 88 per cent of Americans think they are supporting is a lot less clear. A war for how long, please? At what cost in American lives? At what cost to the American taxpayer's pocket? At what cost - because most of those 88 per cent are thoroughly decent and humane people - in Iraqi lives?

How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting America's anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history. But they swung it. A recent poll tells us that one in two Americans now believe Saddam was responsible for the attack on the World Trade Centre. But the American public is not merely being misled. It is being browbeaten and kept in a state of ignorance and fear. The carefully orchestrated neurosis should carry Bush and his fellow conspirators nicely into the next election.

Those who are not with Mr Bush are against him. Worse, they are with the enemy. Which is odd, because I'm dead against Bush, but I would love to see Saddam's downfall - just not on Bush's terms and not by his methods. And not under the banner of such outrageous hypocrisy.

The religious cant that will send American troops into battle is perhaps the most sickening aspect of this surreal war-to-be. Bush has an arm-lock on God. And God has very particular political opinions. God appointed America to save the world in any way that suits America. God appointed Israel to be the nexus of America's Middle Eastern policy, and anyone who wants to mess with that idea is a) anti-Semitic, b) anti-American, c) with the enemy, and d) a terrorist.

God also has pretty scary connections. In America, where all men are equal in His sight, if not in one another's, the Bush family numbers one President, one ex-President, one ex-head of the CIA, the Governor of Florida and the ex-Governor of Texas.

Care for a few pointers? George W. Bush, 1978-84: senior executive, Arbusto Energy/Bush Exploration, an oil company; 1986-90: senior executive of the Harken oil company. Dick Cheney, 1995-2000: chief executive of the Halliburton oil company. Condoleezza Rice, 1991-2000: senior executive with the Chevron oil company, which named an oil tanker after her. And so on. But none of these trifling associations affects the integrity of God's work.

In 1993, while ex-President George Bush was visiting the ever-democratic Kingdom of Kuwait to receive thanks for liberating them, somebody tried to kill him. The CIA believes that "somebody" was Saddam. Hence Bush Jr's cry: "That man tried to kill my Daddy." But it's still not personal, this war. It's still necessary. It's still God's work. It's still about bringing freedom and democracy to oppressed Iraqi people.

To be a member of the team you must also believe in Absolute Good and Absolute Evil, and Bush, with a lot of help from his friends, family and God, is there to tell us which is which. What Bush won't tell us is the truth about why we're going to war. What is at stake is not an Axis of Evil — but oil, money and people's lives. Saddam's misfortune is to sit on the second biggest oilfield in the world. Bush wants it, and who helps him get it will receive a piece of the cake. And who doesn't, won't.

If Saddam didn't have the oil, he could torture his citizens to his heart's content. Other leaders do it every day - think Saudi Arabia, think Pakistan, think Turkey, think Syria, think Egypt.

Baghdad represents no clear and present danger to its neighbours, and none to the US or Britain. Saddam's weapons of mass destruction, if he's still got them, will be peanuts by comparison with the stuff Israel or America could hurl at him at five minutes' notice. What is at stake is not an imminent military or terrorist threat, but the economic imperative of US growth. What is at stake is America's need to demonstrate its military power to all of us - to Europe and Russia and China, and poor mad little North Korea, as well as the Middle East; to show who rules America at home, and who is to be ruled by America abroad.

The most charitable interpretation of Tony Blair's part in all this is that he believed that, by riding the tiger, he could steer it. He can't. Instead, he gave it a phoney legitimacy, and a smooth voice. Now I fear, the same tiger has him penned into a corner, and he can't get out.

It is utterly laughable that, at a time when Blair has talked himself against the ropes, neither of Britain's opposition leaders can lay a glove on him. But that's Britain's tragedy, as it is America's: as our Governments spin, lie and lose their credibility, the electorate simply shrugs and looks the other way. Blair's best chance of personal survival must be that, at the eleventh hour, world protest and an improbably emboldened UN will force Bush to put his gun back in his holster unfired. But what happens when the world's greatest cowboy rides back into town without a tyrant's head to wave at the boys?

Blair's worst chance is that, with or without the UN, he will drag us into a war that, if the will to negotiate energetically had ever been there, could have been avoided; a war that has been no more democratically debated in Britain than it has in America or at the UN. By doing so, Blair will have set back our relations with Europe and the Middle East for decades to come. He will have helped to provoke unforeseeable retaliation, great domestic unrest, and regional chaos in the Middle East. Welcome to the party of the ethical foreign policy.

There is a middle way, but it's a tough one: Bush dives in without UN approval and Blair stays on the bank. Goodbye to the special relationship.

I cringe when I hear my Prime Minister lend his head prefect's sophistries to this colonialist adventure. His very real anxieties about terror are shared by all sane men. What he can't explain is how he reconciles a global assault on al-Qaeda with a territorial assault on Iraq. We are in this war, if it takes place, to secure the fig leaf of our special relationship, to grab our share of the oil pot, and because, after all the public hand-holding in Washington and Camp David, Blair has to show up at the altar.

"But will we win, Daddy?"

"Of course, child. It will all be over while you're still in bed."

"Why?"

"Because otherwise Mr Bush's voters will get terribly impatient and may decide not to vote for him."

"But will people be killed, Daddy?"

"Nobody you know, darling. Just foreign people."

"Can I watch it on television?"

"Only if Mr Bush says you can."

"And afterwards, will everything be normal again? Nobody will do anything horrid any more?"

"Hush child, and go to sleep."

Last Friday a friend of mine in California drove to his local supermarket with a sticker on his car saying: "Peace is also Patriotic". It was gone by the time he'd finished shopping.
Reading it again four years on it's all the more pertinent and moving to those of us who have subsequently lost good friends as a result.
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Post by Wholley »

John Le Carre was a very disappointed member of British Intelligence.
His anti American rants are nothing new and nothing surprising.
His liberal views are unknown to most but remembered by many.
His rabid hatred of the US(Notably the CIA who would not allow him access to some stuff that had nothing to do with him)is just a big wah.
I really enjoyed his early Smiley novels but after reading'The Constant Gardener'I think he has really lost the plot.
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Your point being....

I don't think you actually read that article. I'm no big fan of his but at least I try to keep an open mind. I find "he's only saying that because..." arguments unconvincing at best. You also seem to be trying to pass off your opinion as fact.
His liberal views are unknown to most but remembered by many.


:roll: :roll:

Having a Rumsfeld moment there bud?
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Sully wrote: Having a Rumsfeld moment there bud?
One of many Sull :P
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What's your name again? :D
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Wholley, it used to be called Senior Moments, now it's called CRAFT. :)
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Where the event is actual factual is anyones guess, I never said it was real and it's not targeted at Muslim's. Look into it a bit more.

It's the point it's making.

Heard on the radio this morning some school's are banning Nativity Play's?? Another one for the P C Brigade I'm sure. :roll:

It's too easy to cry racist and that's exactly why things are as crap as they are now, it's used as a scapegoat. I'm not a racist, but I'm concerned for my country and the way it's heading. To deny the problem's is simply turning a blind eye. Talk to any person in their 60's or over and they'll all say a similar thing.

Would you call them racist's for saying that England isn't England anymore? I doubt it.

Talking fact's about the real issue we face is not racist. I know some lovely Muslims, they're great people. It's true that it's always the minority that gives the group as a whole a bad name, that is true. But in my country, I don't like the fact that I would be considered a racist by flying the flag or questioning a heavily 'debated' matter that concerns Muslims all because of the P C tossers.

Go to the U.S.A and ask someone to take the flag down from their house. See the response you get then. That's pride.

The bottom line I'm making here is that I have no problem with anybody regardless of religion, colour or culture and everyone is equal in my eyes until proven otherwise.

But what I do have a problem with is people from other cultures coming here and expecting us to change our ways to suit them. Bollocks to that! If anyone has a problem with our traditions then they can sod right off and go back where they came from.

If your not going to embrace our English culture and learn about our history then don't come to England, it's as simple as that. All this crap really p!ss'es me off. We're a great country with a great mix of people from all cultures, colours and religion's.
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AJtothemax wrote:Go to the U.S.A and ask someone to take the flag down from their house. See the response you get then. That's pride.
It funny you should hit on that actually. Yesterday I was thinking to myself about how if a British serviceman/woman is killed or injured in Iraq/Afghanistan many civilians will simply say "they chose to sign the dotted line, its their choice nobody forced it on them". I must admit that this to me is the single most ignorant/arrogant/annoying thing someone can say.

But then I got thinking about why they might say it and it dawned on me that in a day in age where people are driven by money and fame, the majority don't even considers (or accepts - you chose) patriotism and honour as valid reasons for joining the armed forces.

It suddenly clicked that few people believe that being British is something to be proud of. This in my opinion means that people don't believe the armed forces are fighting for anything important - other than the Queens shilling.
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I believe the U.S.A have got it right, although they do go a little over board sometimes in my opinion. But you should be proud of you're county and it's heritage. The flag being one part of that. I proudly have the cross of St George over my bed and a Union Jack on my wall. I see it all to often, people in school, not knowing the national anthem :o ,saying the Queen is useless and a host of other nonsense.

One thing that annoyed me was when a photo of the Union Jack came up on the white board at school a ignorant little so and so chimed up... isn't that the BNP's flag :evil: now he wasn't supporting the BNP or anything but his lack of knowledge and ignorance astounded me.

I am very patriotic, I think everyone should be, tis our country and we should be proud of that fact alone.

just my two pennies in there :wink:

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ths one of those bullshit chainmails that get sent around facebook and myspace, that have absolutely no basis to them whatsoever, and are designed to perpetuate the 'us v them' mentality?
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