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General discussions on joining & training in the Royal Marines.
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Alright lads. I haven't stuck up anything of any serious use for a while now but im just going to give everyone something which i think people could benefit from. Most of you probably already know about this and its not hard to remember. This is aimed at any individual who is starting out and i hope it brings someone out there some much needed progress.

Anyway...time to crack on. Im going to try and put in a very basic routine which any beginner should stick to. This is really aimed at people who are looking for something suitable but dont know where to start out. If you are just starting out and reading this, its time to get working! Adapt it to your lifestyle as you will, this is just a rough idea.


This should be done 5 days a week, if not 5 then 3 days a week. Get your arse out of bed at 6am so you can start getting a feeling of what its like to get up early(ish) and get dressed ready for some morning training. Have a quick wash to wake yourself up and get downstairs for some food. The first thing you should be drinking is water, get a pint of that down your neck as you get ready. Try to take in a couple of bananas and a slice of toast or two. If you feel you need a bit more water, then drink some more. Please dont gulp it down, take it in throughout the hour so you dont need a piss because you'll be drinking on what was an almost empty stomach.

At 7am, you should be switched on and ready to go. Make sure you have eaten - never train on an empty stomach or you'll regret it. Get out on that road and get running. You should have planned your run the night before but that will make sense to you when you've done reading this, and that includes timeing it. Im talking at least 3miles. If you cant do 3miles, then 2miles, if you cant do that then 1.5 miles (i say 1.5 because that is the bare, absolute, 100% minimum you should at least be able to run because the PJFT is 1.5miles - its not far at all guys.) Anyway, lets assume you can run that 3miles. You want to be aiming for below 20mins 3mile time at least. But if you cant do that straight away, dont worry. On this 3miler of yours you want to be picking points which you are going to increase your pace on.

This could be a hill or even just a certain distance from a tree to a letterbox. Between those two points increase your running pace to near enough sprinting, which is about 70-80% of your running speed. This should be done over a gap of 8-12 seconds of putting that amount of effort in, once thats been done return to you're normal running pace. You might be breathing out of your arse by now but just keep pressing on because you should do this about 3-5 times on the run.

This is called interval training and without a shadow of a doubt, it WILL help you're running times and your fitness. Its all to do with your hearts recovery rate because it is getting used to being over-worked. Once you have finished your run, get back in and get some water down your neck. If you're out of breath - good, because now its time to work even more. Im going on the assumption that you have adequate space and facilities (whatever they are) to do your pull-ups, press-ups, sit-ups and tricep-dips. But if not, the local park is great for it, dont worry about people watching, laughing or whatever, just keep focused on what you want and dont care about what other people think.

You should be aiming for 4 sets of 10 reps for each, do them one after the other, if you need a 10-30 second gap inbetween them then take them. If you're absolute crap at pull-ups as i was when i started out, then just do as many as you can for 4 sets. If you cant even do one just hang there for about a minute each set. The reason behind this is so that your arms can get used to holding your body weight, your grip will also improve because of this too. Still on that matter, if you cant do one then you're going to have to do them later on in the day when someone can help you do assisted pull-ups. Please make sure that when you do these, only you control your body weight going down without any help.

When doing all of these movements, i cannt stress enough the importance of Form. Having good form allows us to gain the maximum benefit from any exercise, thus making us better! I cannot stress that enough, please remember to do them correctly at all times as it will help you in the long run. With your press-ups (and i will post a routine of press-ups at the end of this) should be done marine style. Hands shoulder width apart with elbows pressed against your lats (your sides). Start off arms out straight, legs fully extended, feet together, eyes forward so you're looking straight ahead. When you go down it should be a good 2-3 seconds down, breathing in as you do so. When you get down make sure you have pretty much touched or even touched the floor and then push straight back up, again 2-3 seconds, keep thouse arms straight and exhale as you push upwards. Its as simple as that. Tricep dips are easy enough. Imagine you do them on a park bench, turn around so you have youg back to it, sit down on it with your palms in the bench, push your hips forward so your arse is over the edge, the pals on your hands should be on the edge of the bench as well, keep your legs straight, let yourself go down until your arse is close enough to the floor and push yourself back up again. Keep those reps strict, good form throughout again. Sit ups are simple as well, if you cant get someone to hold your feet, then oput them underneath your sofa at home or something. Lay back so yo ar fully flat, figer tips on the temples, keep your knees together, look forward and on your way up keep your back straight and keep your eyes forward, breathing in. As you go up, make sure your elbows pass your knees and then you can go back down again as you exhale. Again, keep those reps good, 2-3 seconds up and down. Form is everything.

Personally i think its better to start off getting used to doing press-ups, sit-ups etc after your runs because it immediately shocks the body into adapting quicker so it can cope with the tasks it is undertaking. Once you have finished you're training, get some water down your neck again and tuck into some food. Wholemeal carbohydrates, weetabix, shredded wheat, brown break, oats etc. Get them down your neck to boost your energy back up again. Throughout your day please remember to take in water and keep yourself hydrated, you'll should be drinking a good 2litres of water or more throughout your day because you'll end up sweating out alot. You'll learn how to take in your water according to your workload. No matter what job you do, make sure you have a large lunch because some people get in late and dont have time to eat and then go and train as it gets to late and it costs valuable recovery time made up in sleeping! Eat big and eat right when you have your lunch, if that fails then have smaller meals though our your day ok.

It is almost impossible for me to write up a program to cater for everyones needs but if you are just starting out and have taken the time to read this (which i appreciate) then i hope you can fit it in around your lifestyle. If thats good enough for you then great, im glad i have achieved what i set out to do.

That press-up routine i mentioned earlier: This is a drop-set/super-set exercise. Its very simple. Start out in the usual press-up stance, feet and legs together, eyes forward etc. This time though, start out with your arms wider than shoulder width so you are doing wide arm press-ups. Smash out 10. Then go into the marine style press-ups, smash out 10. Then go into close handed press-ups. Extend both arms out in front of you and bring your hand together so your thumbs and index fingers are in a diamond type shape, with your palsm on the floor. Truth be told it looks more the like the suit of Spades from a deck of cards but you get the idea. Get into the usual press-up postion only this time, your legs will be spread out about shoulder width or slightly wider to help with your balance and your hands should be positioned around your chest-neck area. Smash out 10.
Once you hand done this, give yourself a 10-30 second break and go again, this time doing 9 reps for each.

It works out: 10,10,10
9,9,9
8,8,8
7,7,7
6,6,6
5,5,5
4,4,4
3,3,3
2,2,2
1,1,1 (on these last ones, when you go down, hold for 10 seconds and then push back up!)

That is designed to increase your endurance ok, and it works.

Finally i would like to include something that someone else has put up, and its absolutely bang on, when it comes to the mental attitude to training: Please read this: http://www.mfat.co.uk/forums/viewtopic. ... 01f979a831

I hope i have been of some help. Again, this is welcome to any questions and suggestions etc.

All the best everyone. 8)
AJ

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Post by ali_hire »

Good post.

I think the press up routine is a bit too advanced for someone just starting out though TBH. When I first started getting back into training I couldn't bang out 30 press ups let alone 165, even with the short breaks.

Just my opinion though.

P.S. I haven't read it all because; I'm not just starting out and; generally the advice you give on training on here is factual, coherent and helpful.

Keep up the good work.
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Post by Stokey_14 »

cracking post there some good information there only one thing I would add to it and that is cross training and variation in your circuits. Just a thought, I know it helped me when I first started out I.E when I couldn't do one more marine style press up I’d switch to normal etc and incorporate a few exercise for the abs such as the plank, sit ups with a twist etc perhaps even some squats and tuck jumps for leg conditioning. (as you well know threes loads of stuff... but the four you mentioned are in my opinion key so they should be the ones preformed the most.)

Not taking anything away from you was a very good post :wink:

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Thanks alot lads. No, any thing i missed when i was typing up or anything people can add to make it better is more than welcome. Its what MFAT's all about.

All the best everyone. 8)
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good topic, though i think asking people who just started out to try and do 3 miles in 20 mins quite unrealistic,
though i think people should be able to do 3 miles in 22:30 mins before aplying for marines, sinse i failed my 3 miler and reliseing how long it takes to learn how to run, and running in 7 min mile pace in short time frame, would of made me relise how long and realistic it is to do.

anyhow, just wondering, i think my running time for 3 miles pretty good 21:40 best time 21:15, but im not going to aply again atm for i feel i dont just want to pass PRMC then struggle in RT due to bad training, as they say failing to prepare is preparing to fail.

what should a person be able to do when he begins his RT after prmc pass?? i would like realistic terms if possible from people who have done RT or doing it.
The booklet says being able to run 4-6 miles in around 7 min mile pace is this good estimate?
Any help on this i feel would help me and others who are unsure of what running wise they exspect of you when you begin RT(sinse they say they not looking for supermen, just wanted any info on this)

sorry for long post didnt mean to rabble on ..

thanks for any help in advance.
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jarhead wrote:good topic, though i think asking people who just started out to try and do 3 miles in 20 mins quite unrealistic,
though i think people should be able to do 3 miles in 22:30 mins before aplying for marines
AJtothemax wrote:You want to be aiming for below 20mins 3mile time at least. But if you cant do that straight away, dont worry
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^^ lol, my eyes must be going...should of properly read threat.my bad.

by the way can any one still help on pre-RT fitness, sinse im thinking of only going for a PRMC once i belive my fitness ie running is good enough to take me into RT, sinse i dont want to pass PRMC9which i hope i do this time) then fail RT due to not good enough running.

current times atm are: 3mile ish(my 1 mile i think may be 0.9)= 21:30 PB 21:40 slowest,

2mile(with sprints)= `13:25mins

is this good ? im thinking for doing some 4 miles but not sure where to place them in my current running programme:

mon:3 mile
tue:2 mile(with sprints)
wed:3 mile
thurs:2 mile(with sprints
fri:3 mile
sat+sun rest from running.
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jarhead wrote:^^ lol, my eyes must be going...should of properly read threat.my bad.

by the way can any one still help on pre-RT fitness, sinse im thinking of only going for a PRMC once i belive my fitness ie running is good enough to take me into RT, sinse i dont want to pass PRMC9which i hope i do this time) then fail RT due to not good enough running.

current times atm are: 3mile ish(my 1 mile i think may be 0.9)= 21:30 PB 21:40 slowest,

2mile(with sprints)= `13:25mins

is this good ? im thinking for doing some 4 miles but not sure where to place them in my current running programme:

mon:3 mile
tue:2 mile(with sprints)
wed:3 mile
thurs:2 mile(with sprints
fri:3 mile
sat+sun rest from running.
Well i could suggest some stuff but you would ideally be looking for someone whos been into RT for that one.
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Post by davidemmerson »

Great post, especially the bit about pressups, its something i really struggle with!

Thanks
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Some good suggestions there, tell me AJ are you in training at the mo/ trained rank?
THinking about leaving already!
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Felias wrote:Some good suggestions there, tell me AJ are you in training at the mo/ trained rank?
No mate unfortunately. I've had medical problems, but i'll get on it as soon as i can, i've already been back to sort out my second medical but i've had to delay it once again due to some damaged ligaments which im having physio for.

Everything happens for a reason though.
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AJtothemax wrote:If you cant do 3miles, then 2miles, if you cant do that then 1.5 miles (i say 1.5 because that is the bare, absolute, 100% minimum you should at least be able to run because the PJFT is 1.5miles - its not far at all guys.)
I just went over my post again.

If you cant even do that, then please do not be put off ok. I didn't mean it to come across like that. Put the work in and you'll be fine. It's tough but proper fitness is one of the most honest things out there these days, so just keep at it.

All the best everyone. 8)
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AJ, what kind of injury are you suffering from ?. And how long has it been ?
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A damaged ligament in my right ankle. I did it at the end of June, its getting there though.
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I'll have a crack at that press-up routine. I did something similar with pull-ups (10,9,8,7 etc, 1 min rest between each set) and I improved massively.

If you're absolute crap at pull-ups as i was when i started out, then just do as many as you can for 4 sets. If you cant even do one just hang there for about a minute each set. The reason behind this is so that your arms can get used to holding your body weight, your grip will also improve because of this too.
You could also do negative pull-ups. i.e jump up and slowly lower yourself down.
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