Police down tools

[barrybudden]

Just interested to know what you think about this one. Two officers in the Met shot and killed an unarmed civilian. It was found in a coroners court to have been an ilegal killing, this was decided by a jury.

Other officers refused to carry fire arms and have managed to get the Chief Constable to make a few changes for them.

What do you all think, I didnt go into to much detail as I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

[barrybudden]

Well just in case.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3981297.stm

They thought he was "Irish" so that makes it ok?

[goreD.]

If the police officers involved had an 'honest belief' that this man was armed and that they or any other person was in immediate danger of being killed or seriously injured a court cannot convict them of murder.

My advice is...... If you are carrying ANYTHING that could be construed or mistaken as a firearm and armed officers challenge you..... Follow their directions to the letter.

Simple.

Gore.

[barrybudden]

There was another bloke they shot as well, they got out the batton gun to drop him, over extended the stock loded it, cocked it took off the safety and nothing happened. So they un-loaded, re-loaded cocked it and tried again. Nothing, so they shot and killed him with the HK.

If you have been trained on the FRG there are only 2 lengths the stock can be extended to, it can be forced anywhere but the weapon will not fire.

If these things had happened in Belfast there would have been a diferent out come.

My point really was the way their colleges acted in refuseing to carry fire arms and in so doing forced the chief constable's hand.

[Tab]

Why should the police be treated any differently than a soldier. In my home Town a few years back the Police broke in to a villains house to arrest him, he was naked in bed with his girl friend an armed Police office opened fire killing him. It took years to get the case to Court the Police Officer got away with it by saying at the time he was very frightened and he thought the man was hiding a weapon. Lee Clegg a Paratrooper was in Northern Ireland when a car drove through their road block. All five paratroopers opened fire killing the two occupants. Now both bodies had been hit a number of times and the bullets where so damaged they could find out which gun had fired the fatal shots. Lee Clegg wound up getting life for manslaughter as it was thought he could have fired the fatal shots.
I an not having a go at the Police, but how is it they can get away with shooting people yet a squaddie winds up doing life for shooting some one in what is a war zone. It is not just here but in Iraq as well these rules of engagement are being enforced at the behest of our political master.
What I would like to see is a level playing field for our men in the services.

[stripey588]

i agree tab.

lee clegg was a scapgoat, who should never have been convicted.

as for the police, the officers who shot the man should have had a just cause to do so. as i remember it they thought he firearm, but it was a chair leg i think. if an armed police man orders you to drop what your carrying, then do it.

if an innocent civilian had been killed, theyd be in the shite again.

but if they have been to court, and found guilty, then its up to the to apeal if they wish.

for the other firearms officers to down tools and force the boss's hand dosent say much for our protection.

we have a local lad who is te first soldier to be tried for murder, near us. he was on operation in a war zone,shot a bad guy, and is now being paraded in the press for doing his job.

if his regiment strike, which has been threatened, watch the fall out.

[joshualoftus]

Just out of interest, is Lee Clegg still in prison, how much time was he sentenced to, and how much has he/did he serve?
I've heard of his case before, sounds like a load of bollocks to me.
Cheers guys,
Josh.

[barrybudden]

Lee Cleg is out of prison a long time now.

The Judge said the last round Cleg fired was un lawfull, as the car had passed through their position by then and the round had entered the persons back.

[barrybudden]

Remember the two Scotch Guards, Mark Right and James Fisher? They got out under the good Friday agreement and are back in the Army. Well the family of the fella they shot are STILL trying to get them put out of the Army.

[sneaky beaky]

DelD,
Surely, if a vehicle jumps through a check point, then it must be suspicious? And if there is enough thought, that the drivers could be terrorists, then you might open fire?
And what is the difference in shooting a guy in the chest or the back? They are still dead! (Didn't Lee Clegg shoot first while the vehicle was driving towards him?) I don't know, but I don't think he was guilty of murdering someone. He may have been guilty of being frightened but aren't we all.? I've been frightened on a number of occasions. You shoot first and ask questions afterwards. Especially in hostile situations!
N.I. isn't an easy situation for British Troops. Especially as the area is supposedly part of the UK.! They are supposedly allowed to be based there!!
Sneaky

[goreD.]

I personally would have no qualms in driving a car at you DelD.

I know what a terrible shot you are !!!

Gore.

[goreD.]

Any more of that and I'll take my gun and go home !!!!