Zimbabwe

[Smilie-man'81]

This is my 1st post on this forum, i have only recently joined and think its great. I have two questions:
1: im training for the paras and i was wondering what weight should i put in my bergan?
2: I was born in Zimbabwe so i keep an eye on what goes on over there and i think its terrible whats happening over there and nothings been done about it. No country kicking out ethnics for white people whould get away with it and the only time england didnt agree with it was when the cricket was on. I think that if it had the oil of Iraq we would have done something about it by now. I was wondering if anyone had there own opinions?

[Andy O'Pray]

Smilie-man'81,

I totally agree with you. It is long overdue that Mugabe and his cronies were removed from power.

Aye - Andy.

[rabby]

Couldn't agree more, my Grandpa's brother lived out there untill the end of last year, they literally had no option but to come back here. You're right, imagine if it was white leaders doing this to the blacks of the nation, the whole world would be in uproar.

[Tab]

May I wish you luck on your P Course, if you get into 1 Para you should feel quite at home as ther are number of chaps from that part of the world, quite a few of them are in D Compay.

[Smilie-man'81]

Funnily enough after posting the question i saw something on sky about zimbabwe. The military would not be an option because british forces wouldnt be able to base the operation on any of the neigbouring countries and if we did go in it would be seen as rasism.
The best solution for now would be to put a peacekeeping force there to monitor everything but the chances of Mugabe letting that happen is slim.

[Cobalt]

I'm all for a regime change in Zim.

Anyone up for an insurgency like back in the day of Rhodesia?

[Jason The Argonaut]

When I saw this I could not believe what I was reading , this guy f@#k gets my blood boiling ever time .

Mugabe Equates Himself to Hitler
March 27, 2003 09:58 AM, 

Globalvision News Network -  By Brian Mangwende
The Daily News (Zimbabwe)

HARARE, March 26, 2003 -- President Mugabe stunned the nation last Friday when he equated himself to the German butcher of the Nazi era, Adolf Hitler, saying he was going to ruthlessly clamp down on dissenting voices in the country.

Hitler massacred over six million Jews and other minority groups whom he perceived to be his opponents.

Addressing mourners at the burial of Swithun Mombeshora, the Minister of Higher and Tertiary Education, at the National Heroes' Acre, Mugabe, who sports a Hitlerite moustache, said:

"I remember when in 1976 we met with the British at the Geneva Conference and at that time the British and their friends were focused on Mugabe and Nkomo.

"I was the Hitler of that time. I am still a Hitler of their time. If Hitler fought for the justice of mankind, many nations would not have fought against him.

"Hitler in Zimbabwe has one objective - sovereignty for his people, recognition of their independence and their rights to freedom. If they say I am Hitler, let me be Hitler ten-fold and that's what we stand for."

Mugabe made the remarks on the backdrop of unprecedented torture, arrests and assaults allegedly by State security agents countrywide on civilians.

Last week, a man was beaten to death and several others, including opposition Members of Parliament, were beaten up and/or arrested as soldiers, the police and Central Intelligence Organisation agents cracked down on residents they suspected of participating in the two-day mass stayaway.

Richard Boucher, the spokesperson for the State Department of the United States, immediately condemned the retributions.

He said the upsurge in official violence is directly attributable to Mugabe's speech last Friday in which he said he could be a "black Hitler ten-fold" in crushing his opponents.

"Since the beginning of this year, government officials and supporters have sharply escalated repression of all forms of dissent," Boucher said.

"This repression has grown increasingly violent.

"In the run-up to this week's parliamentary by-elections in two pro-opposition districts, the ruling party has made clear its intent to win at any cost and has used violence and manipulation of food stocks to intimidate voters."

The US government said Harare should immediately cease its campaign of violent repression, and identify and bring to justice the perpetrators of these serious and widespread human rights abuses.

In a statement, Boucher said: "The United States strongly condemns the unprecedented violence carried out by the Zimbabwe government against domestic opponents.

"Over the past three days, the government of Zimbabwe has embarked on a massive retribution campaign against opposition officials, supporters, and other critics of the regime.

"This wave of violence and intimidation follows last week's successful and largely peaceful two-day work stoppage organised by the main opposition party, the MDC.

"Since then, over 400 opposition supporters have been arrested, beaten, and in some cases tortured by individuals in police and military uniform.

"Over 250 people have required hospitalisation and at least one person has died.

"Women have been sexually assaulted by police or military officers."

He said violence directed against opposition parties and their supporters has become a standard pre-election tactic of Mugabe's government over the past three years.

And If he wants to be, as he says the black Hitler, then I say give him the same treatment we gave Hitler. And after he's blow to small pieces or committed suicide or even captured let the people of Zimbabwe elect there own government.

[lew]

What is it with people like that, the provoke action from other countries then would cry foul if we did go in...Kill him and his henchmen simple as that and sod it if the rest of the world sees it as raciest...


lew

[Midshipman786]

when uv imperial baggage in the region, it makes it a lot harder. mugabe would pounce on it as confirmation that the british want to recolonise zimbabwe. sounds silly to us but people would believe it.

[harry hackedoff]

when uv imperial baggage in the region, it makes it a lot harder.

Pardon

sounds silly to us

[lew]

Personally I think it should be a UN operation and not British led, for one of two reasons.

1, to show that the UN can still function, and to show that the rifts between some of the counties are healing.

2, we have to many troops deployed already in Iraq, the British people wouldn’t stand for more British forces to be sent to another country to try and solve political problems...


lew

[The 4th Patriot]

British Zimbabwe....has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

[Midshipman786]

when uv imperial baggage in the region, it makes it a lot harder.

Pardon

sounds silly to us

i meant cos of britains colonial past, military action by the uk in zimbabwe would be portrayed by mugabe as proof that he was right and its all part of a plot to recolonise zimbabwe etc which would make the whole thing harder to pull off.

[Rogue Chef]

Ahoy there!
I think a nice new name for Zimbabwe would be Rhodesia.
Then we could have things like the Rhodesian SAS, Rhodesian Light Infantry and the Rhodesian Selous Scouts.

[Guest]

If the people of Iraq had to be liberated by the mighty Dubya then is not the same true of the people of Zimbabwe.

Is the reason for no invasion, a land locked country, no oil, just a few billion leaves that people dry, roll up and set fire to and if anyone did invade they would have the wrath of the African Congress to contend with.

I wonder what Peter Hain, a Zimbabwean by birth, thinks of the system over there now, perhaps he ought to do us all a favour and offer his services by digging up cricket pitches in Harare.

EBAGUM MUGABE