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Hey, i want to join the RMC next year as an officer but last week i got into a scrap with a few ladz in town with 2 of my mates
. The funny thing is, the police stood there waiting for it to happen about 50meters away, and when it kicked off, we smashed the **** out of them until the police got there. I got an £80 fine as it was my first offense and a caution, despite the fact that i was the one attacked, as im applying for an officer,
will this affect my application?? I know they do security checks, i really hope it doesnt? But im sure it will?? Can anyone help me on this??? Thanks.
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How stupid are you???Ajax86 wrote: The funny thing is, the police stood there waiting for it to happen about 50meters away, and when it kicked off, we smashed the **** out of them until the police got there.
You knew the old bill were there and you still kicked off,
Forget all ideas of being an officer mate, you sound like a complete idiot!!
senior prison officer HMP Parkhurst: "do you know what a psycho is, as you so eliquently put it?"
Grandad: "course I do, he's a geezer wot dresses up in his mothers clothes"
Grandad: "course I do, he's a geezer wot dresses up in his mothers clothes"
yo,
the same sorta thing happened to me... viewtopic.php?t=13255
if youre in the application process of joining up then i suggest that you get straight down to your local AFCO a.s.a.p to let them know.
it shouldnt effect you, but seeing as you are wanting to be an officer, then it may be totally different.
best of luck,
jonno
the same sorta thing happened to me... viewtopic.php?t=13255
if youre in the application process of joining up then i suggest that you get straight down to your local AFCO a.s.a.p to let them know.
it shouldnt effect you, but seeing as you are wanting to be an officer, then it may be totally different.
best of luck,
jonno
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So the police were waiting for it to happen. And you were......????? Why didn't you walk away? So you smashed the *** out of them. Oooohhh aren't you hard?Ajax86 wrote: last week i got into a scrap with a few ladz in town with 2 of my mates. The funny thing is, the police stood there waiting for it to happen about 50meters away, and when it kicked off, we smashed the **** out of them until the police got there.
Maybe next time you should take on some blokes instead of some girl guides. Although, on second thoughts, I think the girl guides would have knocked ten bells out of you.
Royal Marines Officer material? Pass me a sick bag you infantile wannabe!
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Nice one
Yeah i really should of posted the entire story or worded it differently. Right lets get one thing straight, i didnt come here to argue but obviously some of you are looking for one! Nothing but sheer ignorance! Well earlier that night my two mates had an arguement with the other blokes in a bar which i broke up by moving us on to another bar to AVOID the trouble because the other guys were clearly looking for it. So later on they saw us coming out of a kebab shop and approached us, the police weren't too far away as i have already stated, but these idiots didnt seem to care. So they came over and started to push two of my mates about and then it just kicked off. What was i supposed to do?? Just stand there?? I didn't want to fight, really! But if someone attacks you then you have NO CHOICE! You hit them back as hard as you can, ESPECIALLY on the street!
So, THANKS FOR THE UNDER APPRECIATED COMMENTS AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISUM! And by the way, Luton police are just about the crappest and most incompetant ones in the U.K. So thats what happened, so please, dont say absolute crap without knowing all the facts, maybe you should have asked more questions first before you jumped to a conclusion. Thanks jonno, yeah i read your post mate, and am i right in saying "it just kicks off??", some people just don't listen! Thanks for reading!
So, THANKS FOR THE UNDER APPRECIATED COMMENTS AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISUM! And by the way, Luton police are just about the crappest and most incompetant ones in the U.K. So thats what happened, so please, dont say absolute crap without knowing all the facts, maybe you should have asked more questions first before you jumped to a conclusion. Thanks jonno, yeah i read your post mate, and am i right in saying "it just kicks off??", some people just don't listen! Thanks for reading!
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Some points to consider:
http://www.britannia.ac.uk/britannia_gu ... cs.htm#eth
Ethics and Moral Behaviour
"The difference … between moral standard of behaviour and ethical systems of belief."
Hosmer, 1991, p103.
Every profession has its own code of ethics governing the day-to-day professional conduct of its members. Individuals in their primary and subsidiary functions day by day, as well as in emergencies, observe the code and adopt a related pattern of moral behaviour. Unfortunately even professional philosophers tend to use the words ethics and morality interchangeably. It is as well to remind ourselves of the formal distinction.
Ethics is "moral philosophy", a scheme or code of morals and "moral right and wrong" (Honderich, 1995, pp586-595). More narrowly it is objective "rules" and "duties" (Singer, 1993, p3). Its substance is expressed in concepts, ideas, hypotheses, theories and imperatives. We form our beliefs around what we think we ought to do, in the light of what others think and do.
So ethics lies within the mind and imagination and is to do with corporate beliefs.
On the other hand Morality is to do with human behaviour. It implies personal thoughts, actions and relationships and making value judgements on what people are doing or being in the following contexts:
Right or wrong
Sincere or insincere
Good or evil
Honest or dishonest
True or false
Just or unjust
Real or unreal
Selfish or unselfish
Fair or unfair
Appropriate or inappropriate
Faithful or unfaithful
Pleasing or displeasing
Many of these pairs are not opposites. Sometimes a moral position is very close to an absolute - absolutely good or sincere, wholly fake or dishonest and the imperatives of the situation and requirement for personal action are absolutely clear. At other times the evidence has to be very closely sifted and the "ifs" and "buts" carefully considered.
While "some people think that morality is [made up of] ... nasty puritanical prohibitions, mainly designed to stop people having fun", (Singer, 1979, p1), morality is much more a matter of upholding "positive freedom" (Berlin, 1958) than limiting peoples' activities.
Moral behaviour implies personal choice, and the extent of that freedom to choose is the substance of this Guide.
There are certain universal ethical truths that can safely be grasped. The difficulty of "absolutes" was tackled by Aristotle and he argued that the "mean" between extremes is a helpful mental position to adopt when, as responsible people, we are duty bound to make moral judgements from ethical precepts - reconciling the practical and the ideal.
"Aristotle said 'we become good by doing good things'. A person's habits of feeling will guide him or her to have the right amount of desire to resist the enemy, to resist evil, falsehood, unfairness, and insincerity. This is his celebrated idea of the 'mean' between 'excess and deficiency'." (Cottingham, 1995). Absolutism - the fundamentalist approach which is by definition anti-democratic - can be as self-defeating as mental paralysis or amoral indifference.
It is a central theme of this Guide that all human contact and activity between two or more persons has moral consequences. The test of any action is the overall good it does. A number of fundamental ambiguities are to be found in the military profession. Fortunately G. E. Moore, a mainstream philosopher, conscious of the value of the Aristotelian "mean" between extremes, comes to the rescue of commonsense. While acknowledging the difficulty of defining good, truth, sincerity, etc, Moore stated convincingly that "there is actually a vast body of shared conclusions about 'the world', expressible in quite ordinary propositions whose meaning are perfectly clear, and which are certain to be true" (Moore, 1925). For "the world" read "naval practice".
In recent years there has been a return to conflicting arguments about human rights and human obligations. The latter appear to be accorded less significance currently than human rights, a consequence perhaps of the natural reaction to those periods of the twentieth century when countless lives were shattered by authoritarian state policies of communism and fascism, and still are by arbitrary rule or sheer chaos, in many parts of the world.
"Giving priority to the private over the public", however, warns Mary Warnock, is not the whole aim of civil liberties (1998, p95). "The search for publicly acceptable solutions to [social and legal] dilemmas on which opinions may differ ... is dependent for its working on the conviction ... that we must try, individually as well as collectively, to act for the best." There are then reasons for not pursuing excesses of individual rights or group special pleading, which by nature are self-centred if not downright selfish. In nature "co-operative groups thrive", suggests Matt Ridley (1996, pl75) "and selfish ones do not". By all of this we understand that civil liberties require reciprocal civic obligations.
How far should we as officers judge moral behaviour and apply commonsense to ethical imperatives?
DATELINE 26 FEBRUARY - 1990 KUWAIT CITY - MUKLAH RIDGE
On 25 Feb 99 American intelligence agencies reported that Iraqi occupation forces and members of the secret police were preparing to leave the city with up to 200 tanks and other equipment hidden amongst civilians fleeing and soldiers retreating from Kuwait City. It was later proved that only 28 vehicles in the convoy were military. Large numbers of Allied aircraft were authorised to acquire targets and fire at will over a 30 square mile area. Remember that Iraqi forces had been engaged in acts of perfidy earlier in the week, so there were tough challenges for the commanders in the field.
Armed retreat is not tantamount to surrender so the Iraqis were not hors de combat. The use of cluster bombs against soldiers on foot does not, however, seem to be in the spirit of proportionality.
What do you feel about the Military Ethic which allows this interpretation of armed retreat?
Does it sit comfortably with Warnock's idea that "we must try, individually as well as collectively, to act for the best"?
Individual Standards
"To thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou can'st not then be false to any man."
Shakespeare, Hamlet, (1. iii. 58).
As Naval Officers, we are committed to serve the public; from that we expect to derive personal satisfaction.
At Admiralty Interview Board, in training at Britannia Royal Naval College, in our periodic confidential reports, attempts are made to discover whether we match up to the qualities and the characteristics of officership in the Royal Navy. We in turn will similarly assess our subordinates, according to appropriate criteria. In being good Divisional Officers we must recognize how the moral character of an individual has developed and matured into adulthood and how it affects their present level of responsibility. Some people fail to mature for a number of psychological reasons: if we detect moral immaturity, we find it difficult to place in them our full trust. We may assess that they could fail to act for the best at some vital moment.
Sometimes we know what some people think about us, at other times we remain (blissfully) ignorant. We all have an "inner" life of thoughts and feelings, many of them pure and straightforward by any ethical standards. While the word "integrity" is to be found in the vocabulary of ethical virtues and the practicalities of assessing and judging people, we often use it indiscriminately, as a good sort of word to have around, like "leadership". Integrity means, "oneness", "wholeness", a "complete entity". In its ethical-moral sense it implies that what we think and say is what we do; what we promise we deliver; we act according to our principles. Integrity means what we believe in, we practise openly. Integrity is when private behaviour and public behaviour converge.
Sometimes, however, we fail to deliver; we do things we say we will not do; we act directly or indirectly against our beliefs or saner judgements.
Remember the eccentric Lady Mary Wortley Montague (1689-1762) who once admitted, "I give myself sometimes admirable advice, but am incapable of taking it."
We devote many periods of our lives attempting to perfect our psychological make up. This facet of character is an incredibly complex emotional defence mechanism, ready to meet every eventuality to the limits of our imagination note our imagination - and that is where many fail. Many of our dearest projects are self-defeating because they are excessively selfish. That does not mean that everything we do is always selfish. As a matter of honour the philosopher David Hume (1711-76) asserted that a person should simultaneously be "useful, both to himself and more significantly to others". That truth often humbles us when we are most judgemental, and suddenly realise that we have been wrong about others and ourselves.
In pursuing the notion of a person's inner life, it is necessary to make comparison between "personality" and "character". Personality is to do with the emotional attractiveness of others, their obvious and immediate features which distinguish them in the everyday sense and whether we like them because they like us.
Character is quite different: it is "the sum of moral and mental qualities which distinguish an individual ... viewed as a homogenous whole", i.e. a person's integrity in the sense of the word stated above.
This draws us back to what ethics is about, "the science of morals, that branch of philosophy which is concerned with human character and conduct". Character, therefore, is what we are as much as what we do; it is marked by what we truly believe; it denotes our reserves of moral strength; the depth of our hold on the inner qualities and convictions that make us "useful ... to others" - when we put their interests ahead of our own in the "highest calling" of our service.
Usefulness to others includes the danger of losing our lives, the highest calling of all. Christians subscribe to the belief that "greater love has no man than to lay down his life for his friends" (St John, 15.13). As Naval Officers we are called to accept that this fine sentiment interprets "friends" as all of humanity. To accept this challenge in the front line and elsewhere, and to translate it into action for your men and women, you will need to be on good terms with the following personal qualities.
PERSONAL INTEGRITY
To be
Willing to accept hazard, danger and self-sacrifice.
Courageous - morally, physically and intellectually.
Honourable and self-controlled.
Humane, conscienced and restrained in operations and war.
TRUSTWORTHINESS
To act with
Energy, sublimating self-interest for the interests of the group.
Intelligent conformity and obedience.
Intelligent loyalty and powers of self-discipline.
Confidence, based appropriately on openness and confidentiality.
http://www.britannia.ac.uk/britannia_gu ... cs.htm#eth
Ethics and Moral Behaviour
"The difference … between moral standard of behaviour and ethical systems of belief."
Hosmer, 1991, p103.
Every profession has its own code of ethics governing the day-to-day professional conduct of its members. Individuals in their primary and subsidiary functions day by day, as well as in emergencies, observe the code and adopt a related pattern of moral behaviour. Unfortunately even professional philosophers tend to use the words ethics and morality interchangeably. It is as well to remind ourselves of the formal distinction.
Ethics is "moral philosophy", a scheme or code of morals and "moral right and wrong" (Honderich, 1995, pp586-595). More narrowly it is objective "rules" and "duties" (Singer, 1993, p3). Its substance is expressed in concepts, ideas, hypotheses, theories and imperatives. We form our beliefs around what we think we ought to do, in the light of what others think and do.
So ethics lies within the mind and imagination and is to do with corporate beliefs.
On the other hand Morality is to do with human behaviour. It implies personal thoughts, actions and relationships and making value judgements on what people are doing or being in the following contexts:
Right or wrong
Sincere or insincere
Good or evil
Honest or dishonest
True or false
Just or unjust
Real or unreal
Selfish or unselfish
Fair or unfair
Appropriate or inappropriate
Faithful or unfaithful
Pleasing or displeasing
Many of these pairs are not opposites. Sometimes a moral position is very close to an absolute - absolutely good or sincere, wholly fake or dishonest and the imperatives of the situation and requirement for personal action are absolutely clear. At other times the evidence has to be very closely sifted and the "ifs" and "buts" carefully considered.
While "some people think that morality is [made up of] ... nasty puritanical prohibitions, mainly designed to stop people having fun", (Singer, 1979, p1), morality is much more a matter of upholding "positive freedom" (Berlin, 1958) than limiting peoples' activities.
Moral behaviour implies personal choice, and the extent of that freedom to choose is the substance of this Guide.
There are certain universal ethical truths that can safely be grasped. The difficulty of "absolutes" was tackled by Aristotle and he argued that the "mean" between extremes is a helpful mental position to adopt when, as responsible people, we are duty bound to make moral judgements from ethical precepts - reconciling the practical and the ideal.
"Aristotle said 'we become good by doing good things'. A person's habits of feeling will guide him or her to have the right amount of desire to resist the enemy, to resist evil, falsehood, unfairness, and insincerity. This is his celebrated idea of the 'mean' between 'excess and deficiency'." (Cottingham, 1995). Absolutism - the fundamentalist approach which is by definition anti-democratic - can be as self-defeating as mental paralysis or amoral indifference.
It is a central theme of this Guide that all human contact and activity between two or more persons has moral consequences. The test of any action is the overall good it does. A number of fundamental ambiguities are to be found in the military profession. Fortunately G. E. Moore, a mainstream philosopher, conscious of the value of the Aristotelian "mean" between extremes, comes to the rescue of commonsense. While acknowledging the difficulty of defining good, truth, sincerity, etc, Moore stated convincingly that "there is actually a vast body of shared conclusions about 'the world', expressible in quite ordinary propositions whose meaning are perfectly clear, and which are certain to be true" (Moore, 1925). For "the world" read "naval practice".
In recent years there has been a return to conflicting arguments about human rights and human obligations. The latter appear to be accorded less significance currently than human rights, a consequence perhaps of the natural reaction to those periods of the twentieth century when countless lives were shattered by authoritarian state policies of communism and fascism, and still are by arbitrary rule or sheer chaos, in many parts of the world.
"Giving priority to the private over the public", however, warns Mary Warnock, is not the whole aim of civil liberties (1998, p95). "The search for publicly acceptable solutions to [social and legal] dilemmas on which opinions may differ ... is dependent for its working on the conviction ... that we must try, individually as well as collectively, to act for the best." There are then reasons for not pursuing excesses of individual rights or group special pleading, which by nature are self-centred if not downright selfish. In nature "co-operative groups thrive", suggests Matt Ridley (1996, pl75) "and selfish ones do not". By all of this we understand that civil liberties require reciprocal civic obligations.
How far should we as officers judge moral behaviour and apply commonsense to ethical imperatives?
DATELINE 26 FEBRUARY - 1990 KUWAIT CITY - MUKLAH RIDGE
On 25 Feb 99 American intelligence agencies reported that Iraqi occupation forces and members of the secret police were preparing to leave the city with up to 200 tanks and other equipment hidden amongst civilians fleeing and soldiers retreating from Kuwait City. It was later proved that only 28 vehicles in the convoy were military. Large numbers of Allied aircraft were authorised to acquire targets and fire at will over a 30 square mile area. Remember that Iraqi forces had been engaged in acts of perfidy earlier in the week, so there were tough challenges for the commanders in the field.
Armed retreat is not tantamount to surrender so the Iraqis were not hors de combat. The use of cluster bombs against soldiers on foot does not, however, seem to be in the spirit of proportionality.
What do you feel about the Military Ethic which allows this interpretation of armed retreat?
Does it sit comfortably with Warnock's idea that "we must try, individually as well as collectively, to act for the best"?
Individual Standards
"To thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou can'st not then be false to any man."
Shakespeare, Hamlet, (1. iii. 58).
As Naval Officers, we are committed to serve the public; from that we expect to derive personal satisfaction.
At Admiralty Interview Board, in training at Britannia Royal Naval College, in our periodic confidential reports, attempts are made to discover whether we match up to the qualities and the characteristics of officership in the Royal Navy. We in turn will similarly assess our subordinates, according to appropriate criteria. In being good Divisional Officers we must recognize how the moral character of an individual has developed and matured into adulthood and how it affects their present level of responsibility. Some people fail to mature for a number of psychological reasons: if we detect moral immaturity, we find it difficult to place in them our full trust. We may assess that they could fail to act for the best at some vital moment.
Sometimes we know what some people think about us, at other times we remain (blissfully) ignorant. We all have an "inner" life of thoughts and feelings, many of them pure and straightforward by any ethical standards. While the word "integrity" is to be found in the vocabulary of ethical virtues and the practicalities of assessing and judging people, we often use it indiscriminately, as a good sort of word to have around, like "leadership". Integrity means, "oneness", "wholeness", a "complete entity". In its ethical-moral sense it implies that what we think and say is what we do; what we promise we deliver; we act according to our principles. Integrity means what we believe in, we practise openly. Integrity is when private behaviour and public behaviour converge.
Sometimes, however, we fail to deliver; we do things we say we will not do; we act directly or indirectly against our beliefs or saner judgements.
Remember the eccentric Lady Mary Wortley Montague (1689-1762) who once admitted, "I give myself sometimes admirable advice, but am incapable of taking it."
We devote many periods of our lives attempting to perfect our psychological make up. This facet of character is an incredibly complex emotional defence mechanism, ready to meet every eventuality to the limits of our imagination note our imagination - and that is where many fail. Many of our dearest projects are self-defeating because they are excessively selfish. That does not mean that everything we do is always selfish. As a matter of honour the philosopher David Hume (1711-76) asserted that a person should simultaneously be "useful, both to himself and more significantly to others". That truth often humbles us when we are most judgemental, and suddenly realise that we have been wrong about others and ourselves.
In pursuing the notion of a person's inner life, it is necessary to make comparison between "personality" and "character". Personality is to do with the emotional attractiveness of others, their obvious and immediate features which distinguish them in the everyday sense and whether we like them because they like us.
Character is quite different: it is "the sum of moral and mental qualities which distinguish an individual ... viewed as a homogenous whole", i.e. a person's integrity in the sense of the word stated above.
This draws us back to what ethics is about, "the science of morals, that branch of philosophy which is concerned with human character and conduct". Character, therefore, is what we are as much as what we do; it is marked by what we truly believe; it denotes our reserves of moral strength; the depth of our hold on the inner qualities and convictions that make us "useful ... to others" - when we put their interests ahead of our own in the "highest calling" of our service.
Usefulness to others includes the danger of losing our lives, the highest calling of all. Christians subscribe to the belief that "greater love has no man than to lay down his life for his friends" (St John, 15.13). As Naval Officers we are called to accept that this fine sentiment interprets "friends" as all of humanity. To accept this challenge in the front line and elsewhere, and to translate it into action for your men and women, you will need to be on good terms with the following personal qualities.
PERSONAL INTEGRITY
To be
Willing to accept hazard, danger and self-sacrifice.
Courageous - morally, physically and intellectually.
Honourable and self-controlled.
Humane, conscienced and restrained in operations and war.
TRUSTWORTHINESS
To act with
Energy, sublimating self-interest for the interests of the group.
Intelligent conformity and obedience.
Intelligent loyalty and powers of self-discipline.
Confidence, based appropriately on openness and confidentiality.
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Thank you, i appreciate the post and i find it in no way insulting (whether you considered i might or not) but thank you anyway. I did enjoy reading it and i came to the conclusion, when based upon what i have written that we all have our own set of rules for times like that. Yes, it was wrong to fight but i didn't have a choice, martial arts and boxing has taught me that i did what i had to do and that was to apply what i considered 'reasonable' force in self defence and in defence of my friends, i hope you all can appreciate that. Thanks again jonno, and yeah it does! So, im just going to move on from this, stupid arguement (if there was one) anyway.
I have missed my chance for the PRMC this year because i have had to have surgey on my legs for Compartment Syndrome, this was caused by over training, seriously, for example i was running to the gym with a rucksack filled with sand on my back, training at the gym and then running home (2-3miles there and the same distance back roughly). I also kept up my rugby training so i was training hard 5days a week but just as things were going well, my cv ability went higher than it had ever gone before and i was sheduled to have a VO2 max test with the rugby club physio before it was discovered that i had this condition.
If you havent had it before, its extremely uncomfortable, my shins felt like they were about to explode from the pressure building up and when i walked it felt like they were made of wood, i couldnt walk properly. When it first started i just kept on pushing through it, ignoring it. Eventually it got worse and worse until the point where even walking was getting uncomfortable, but i continued to push through it at training. So when i finally got to see the physio he had strong suspicions about what i had, especially after running numerous tests on me and coming up with nothing.
So once again i was referred to my GP who sent me to the hospital, and since then (January!!!!!!!) i had been waiting for my operation to correct it, i've since then had it done last friday! (NHS for ya!!) But since January ive had to cut out almost totally, all my cv work and my fitness has crashed! But i know i can get it back up again because all i want to be is a RMC, nothing else, because i know i will be good at it and its all i have ever wanted to be, even when i was young. So, forgetting the history, the 'scrap' happened not to long ago and thats why i came on here, looking for some advice and i will be contacting the AFCO asap to let them know what has happened etc, the event in question is all on CCTV anyway but i dont know if that will make a difference???
I have missed my chance for the PRMC this year because i have had to have surgey on my legs for Compartment Syndrome, this was caused by over training, seriously, for example i was running to the gym with a rucksack filled with sand on my back, training at the gym and then running home (2-3miles there and the same distance back roughly). I also kept up my rugby training so i was training hard 5days a week but just as things were going well, my cv ability went higher than it had ever gone before and i was sheduled to have a VO2 max test with the rugby club physio before it was discovered that i had this condition.
If you havent had it before, its extremely uncomfortable, my shins felt like they were about to explode from the pressure building up and when i walked it felt like they were made of wood, i couldnt walk properly. When it first started i just kept on pushing through it, ignoring it. Eventually it got worse and worse until the point where even walking was getting uncomfortable, but i continued to push through it at training. So when i finally got to see the physio he had strong suspicions about what i had, especially after running numerous tests on me and coming up with nothing.
So once again i was referred to my GP who sent me to the hospital, and since then (January!!!!!!!) i had been waiting for my operation to correct it, i've since then had it done last friday! (NHS for ya!!) But since January ive had to cut out almost totally, all my cv work and my fitness has crashed! But i know i can get it back up again because all i want to be is a RMC, nothing else, because i know i will be good at it and its all i have ever wanted to be, even when i was young. So, forgetting the history, the 'scrap' happened not to long ago and thats why i came on here, looking for some advice and i will be contacting the AFCO asap to let them know what has happened etc, the event in question is all on CCTV anyway but i dont know if that will make a difference???
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I can't address your last question, but I have a couple comments about the rest.
Overtraining can and does lead to injury as you found out, something which is often discussed on the other board (MF&T).
In the worst case, the injury(ies) can be serious enough to nix all hope to get through POC/PRMC.
As to each of us having our own set of rules to deal with the situation you described in your first post, well, you also have to consider the profession you chose to pursue. Overreaction can in some instances bar you from pursuing your goals.
I don't know whether you had the opportunity to 'evade' this confrontation, but if at all possible, that should have been your choice.
Unpalatable, perhaps, but now you have to wonder about consequences.
You have to know when to fight and when not to. Now, not having been there, I can't tell what your options were.
But when you say "The funny thing is, the police stood there waiting for it to happen about 50meters away, and when it kicked off, we smashed the **** out of them until the police got there", it smacks of having 'relished' the fight.
To those who have gone through and earned the beret and those who are serious about earning it, it appears like recklessness.
Recklessness is not a good quality for an officer (nor for a recruit), particularly not the Royal Marines. Read your statement again and ask yourself whether you did enjoy this or not.
There's a unit in the French COS (SF) named the 13eme RDP, tip of the spear. Well to them, firing a shot means failure. Because they're trained not to be seen.
Apples and oranges, yet I think you get my drift.
Some of the responses you got, particularly from the "old and bold" stems from their knowing that reckless kills.
Agressiveness is not the same as daring, just as force without restraint is not strength.
This is not meant as an offence, just my perspective.
Overtraining can and does lead to injury as you found out, something which is often discussed on the other board (MF&T).
In the worst case, the injury(ies) can be serious enough to nix all hope to get through POC/PRMC.
As to each of us having our own set of rules to deal with the situation you described in your first post, well, you also have to consider the profession you chose to pursue. Overreaction can in some instances bar you from pursuing your goals.
I don't know whether you had the opportunity to 'evade' this confrontation, but if at all possible, that should have been your choice.
Unpalatable, perhaps, but now you have to wonder about consequences.
You have to know when to fight and when not to. Now, not having been there, I can't tell what your options were.
But when you say "The funny thing is, the police stood there waiting for it to happen about 50meters away, and when it kicked off, we smashed the **** out of them until the police got there", it smacks of having 'relished' the fight.
To those who have gone through and earned the beret and those who are serious about earning it, it appears like recklessness.
Recklessness is not a good quality for an officer (nor for a recruit), particularly not the Royal Marines. Read your statement again and ask yourself whether you did enjoy this or not.
There's a unit in the French COS (SF) named the 13eme RDP, tip of the spear. Well to them, firing a shot means failure. Because they're trained not to be seen.
Apples and oranges, yet I think you get my drift.
Some of the responses you got, particularly from the "old and bold" stems from their knowing that reckless kills.
Agressiveness is not the same as daring, just as force without restraint is not strength.
This is not meant as an offence, just my perspective.
Ajax,Character is quite different: it is "the sum of moral and mental qualities which distinguish an individual ... viewed as a homogenous whole", i.e. a person's integrity
A good quality to have for life, not just for a RM Officer/recruit, or indeed any of the Armed Forces.
Tam.
'Oi', 'You'!... 'Yes You'! Straighten that fu??ing arm or I'll rip it off and beat you round the head with the soggy end!!
Re: Nice one
I'm afraid this is absolute nonsense. No one is obliged to ask questions of people who fail to give full and accurate information in the first place.Ajax86 wrote: And by the way, Luton police are just about the crappest and most incompetant ones in the U.K. So thats what happened, so please, dont say absolute crap without knowing all the facts, maybe you should have asked more questions first before you jumped to a conclusion.
As for the comment on Luton police, on what basis do you make the claim? Last year, for example, your police force had record levels of customer satisfaction. Your comment is just childish rhetoric.
Oh, and I'd tell you how to spell incompetent but it probably wouldn't be appreciated.
As for the general content of your posts it seems abundantly clear that you lack the maturity, common sense and level-headedness that an officer in the Royal Marines requires.
