Netherlands Burqa Ban

[james_m]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4549730.stm

Any thoughts?

Cheers
James_m

[SO19]

I think they're doing the right thing... should happen here too.

[Wholley]

It's the Netherlands not Natherlands.
Not going to happen.
It will end up in an E.U.Commitee.
Hence nothing will happen.
Even worse it could go to the U.N.
Then the French would intervene along with the new Soviet Union and the Chinese,Of course not forgeting North Korea.

[Doc]

Thing is I know some right mingers around these parts, Parts as in location not my todger, that could do with wearing one of this things and that should be law.

As for Muslims dress standards well Ive decided to pop down my local mosque with a lovely oak cross upon my back, a linen nappy and a thorn crown, beard and blood optional. Sit in the middle of prayers and shout WODDERWICK at the top of my voice, see you all after Ive been arrested.

Doc

[Marina]

I don't think the burqa is a practical attire to wear especially in one's adopted western country. If Holland want to ban it so be it, its their law.
However, if females want to wear shorter headscarves with their western dress, they should be allowed to have that choice.

[Pilgrim Norway]

Number the 1 - Doc should wear a Burqa

Number the 2 - Everyone else should be banned from Burqa wearing.

Recognition on CCTV should be possible - Surveillance should be possible.

The wearing of jihab like clothing in classrooms should - together with
sunglasses be banned. Hiding the eyes - thereby avoiding eye contact
is disrespectful to teaching staff. ( A headscarf is something else ).....

We've had the same discussion here - binned and banned.

Shopkeepers dislike *'roomy' clothing because of the pilfering aspect -
I would dislike it because of the ability of some people to stuff loads of
plastic stuff and nails in there.....

*( This started with 'Romany Folk' using voluminous, many pleated skirts )

Sometimes it is difficult for shopkeepers to know whether a youngster
has stuffed his pants with loot or whether his trousers are supposed to
hang that low..... ' Sagging' has caught on here too, though is probably
'out' as I write this.....

Burqas are, in my humble opinion, a sign of oppression - as is walking
seven paces behind the husband. The woman of the countries who we
usually associate with burqas are usually very attractive - but I don't
mind being tempted......

I can imagine now - the medicinal aid I would need if I suggested that my
wife walk a few paces to the rear......
Walking Wounded and excused boots for the duration.....

:multi:

[Marina]

Hi Pilgrim,

I agree with you absolutely. Also, the diljab can be a hazardous piece of clothing. For example, if one is in a class lab studying a science subject, you have all sorts of chemicals and bunsen burners around. Also, facial expression is important for the teacher to see if what he/she has taught has been understood.

On the other hand, its quite useful after a night out on the town, if your hair is a mess and you haven't put your foundation on and you you need to nip down to the shops for something in your pajamas.

The nick-name for the burqa with the window mesh in front is sometimes known as 'the shuttlecock burqa'.

[Chappy]

Why are they interfering with the free expression of religion?

[Frank S.]

Why are they interfering with the free expression of religion?

Google Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh (film maker).
There're cultural but also security considerations as Pilgrim noted, although I'd guess it's mostly cultural.
Their country, their choice. This type of debate has been amply covered.

[Wholley]

Phew.
At least this thread cannot be blamed on me
Personally I don't have a prob with a Burhka.
Makes me look more like"Lawrence of Arabia"When I wear one.
Give me an Arabian and some sheets,A
little desert and my natuaral Steel Blue eyes.
"Voila"
Instant Peter O'Toole.

[Mike]

In a similar vein to this thread, I read in the press this weekend that the Hindu’s are taking local councils to court and further if they don’t get their way, to have the right to burn funeral Pyres for their dead…..! Why don’t they fly their dead back to Hindu land and do the burning there….. I ask..
Im not too keen on Brown but at long last he seems to have the right idea in encouraging us to fly the Union flag.... let hope it becomes popular.....Sadly I'd not be anble to do that here, in Wales, as I'd probably 'Come home to a real fire' ......My bungalow!!

Aye
Mike

[Tab]

Some Middle Eastern Countries think nothing of imposing a dress code on western women, so why can't a western country impose certain bans on women from the middle east.

[Sarastro]

True enough Tab, but do we really want to emulate those countries living under nutjob religious laws?

I don't particularly like the idea of burqa's within the religion, but it's their deal - you don't see anyone clamouring to ban Sikh headdress or Jamaican caps & dreadlocks, the issue isn't really about non-integration, it's that they are becoming afraid of Muslims after the two killings. This is not a good thing, as it will only lead to a further seperation within society among a section which, whether rightly or wrongly, already feels persecuted. (look at the reaction to banning of headscarves in France). Whatever your feelings about the right/wrong/fairness of this, any smart politician will go for the option which truely promotes integration over the long-term, even if it is unpopular with the majority who feel it panders to a minority, instead of a knee-jerk reaction which will isolate them further and worsen the problem.

Also, we can't legislate change in the Muslim population, only they can do that - the best thing we can do is to support moderates and reformers within the Muslim faith in our respective countries so everyone can see Muslims purging the fundamentalists on their own.

[Tab]

Sarastro....That all sounds fine but more you give away to them the more they seem to want, now what if they want Islamic laws only to apply to Muslims in the west, would you agree to this???. If so just when would you stop giving into there demands. They should be told that this is our country and they live in it by our rules and not there's

[Pilgrim Norway]

Tab -

our country and they live in it by our rules and not there's

Hear Hear !

I believe that a colleague of mine here on MF has made a baseball cap
with a great text ......



Integration - to the Host country's way of life - not demanding to make ones own rules.............

Assimilate - or make a decision on whether or not to stay .....

Why would anyone wish to emigrate to Britain without the intention
of assimilating and adopting the way of life ? Can't be the climate ?

Why can't all immigrants join in and do the British 'thing'.....
Down to the Pub after work - darts, crisps, twelve pints of "beer"....
Fish and chips afterwards - or mushie peas - or kebab - or curry -
Back home, slap their partner around - sleep on the toilet .....
Let someone else take care of the 'Politics' bit - don't use the vote.....
Complain when the 'Other Side' win the election - (after having wasted
their own vote )......

What IS so difficult just settling in and being 'Normal'..... ?