Sixty Years ago today

[Shoulderholster]

Allied troops liberated Belsen,some people even today think that it never happened,and the whole thing was a Jewish propaganda scam.
Spare a minute today to think about not only the prisoners but also those who liberated the place.

SH

[Artist]

Yes shoulders good observation Oppo.

There is a Documentary on the History channel or one like it coming up soon about this.

Artist

[Sticky Blue]

Only 70,000 died there... according to the official German figures

The krauts always were crap at maths!

[harry hackedoff]

As time goes by and I become more aware of events in Pallestine(can I still say Pallestine) I am increasingly appalled by the actions of succesive Israelli governments. Given where they came from, it`s a bit rich don`t you think?
I agree with Shoulders, of course I do. I just can`t reconcile their present day actions with what went on before.

[Artist]

Harry

Good observation Oppo.

I just can't get me head around a political party of Extreme Right Wing Jewish people Hell bent on Ethnic Cleansing.

Can you call them Facists/NAZI's?

Artist

[Mike]

Aitch...My sentiments exactly and have been for some while....I cannot say that I have ever liked the Arabs, having seen them close to..
However I do think the Palestinians have been given the short straw and are still being rubbed up the wrong way, not only by the Israelis but the yanks who still bankrolling Israel
I also believe that the Palestinian problem is central to the middle east problem....sort that lot out and half the battle

[El Prez]

Anne Frank was one of those murdered at Belsen.
Not gassed.
Not shot.
Not killed.

Murdered.

We now view Pathe film of the liberation of the camps. We can see what state the survivors were in. A British officer who entered Belsen when his driver discovered a side road, knew nothing of the camp. The guards lolled at the gates, made no attempt to stop him and then wandered away. The camp commandant and the female commandant actually gave him a guided tour until he could take no more. At one point the officer and his Sgt Major observed a German guard beating a prisoner. The Sgt Major was given permission to retaliate on the prisoner's behalf.

The point which I' m finally getting to is that in common with the men who went throught the far east campaigns and suffered terribly at the hands of the Japanese, this man has never been able to find any forgiveness or a jot of understanding in his heart or head.

Maybe we forget too easily. Maybe with the passage of time we weaken our resolve. We hear the political utterances, "Never again".

Then we allow Skopje.

Man is decreed a higher being as he has the capacity to learn and remember from his experiences; collating a history so that others of the species may also learn and advance.

Not in my book. We are way down the list on many occasions. I've more trust in my little dogs.

[Sticky Blue]

My uncle was at Dunkirk with the RHA and then saw a camp... he hated the Bosch until the day he died for what he saw.
The inhumanity of the human

[Wholley]

Stix,
Odd coinkidink there,My Ol Chap was in the RHA(T)
Evacuated from Dunkirk,He later served in Burma and North Africa.
He was lucky to get out of Burma and lost a lot of his oppo's to the Japanese.He kinda forgave the Germans but hated the Japanese till the day he passed.Two of my most revered possesions are two brass shell casings.One from the Royal Fusiliers(Grand Father WW1)The other from The Territorial Royal Horse Artillery(WW 11)Until he got too sick to fly,He would visit me in the US at least once a year,I suspect just to ride my horses.He was a Terrier from 1936 and trained with"Two Teams,Gun,Caisson"Rigs.
Not very effective against German Armor really.
Wholley.

[Whitey]

On the History channel huh? Doesn't suprise me. All the networks except FOX are Jewish owned, Izzy lobby is largest lobby in the USA aside from the NRA.
The Izzy sat as Rwanda went genocidal and the Serbs went genocidal and acted like they never noticed. Where was the IDF during this time? Yet they have the audacity to shout "Never Again" every year as they sit and do nothing about similar attocities that occur around them, or look at Palestien. You British have scolded me for speaking against Arab immigration in the USA and in your country, yet Izzies can massively kill arabs in their region for hust wanting to exist equally and thats okay.
In my school we can critisize christianity and anything Anglo, we get great marks for doing so, but critisize Jews, or Israel and your ass is expelled or failed or turned into the state police for being an anti-semite. You can be anti-christian all you want though, that isn't a crime.

As far as what happened in Germany, I do and will question the numbers. We dropped two nukes on Japanese civilians, I think we got no room to talk, then add the Native Americans to the mix under that rational and one would wonder why we even in the USA mention the word attrocity while pointing our fingers. Same with you English, and everyone else to include CHina and Russia. We kill masses of people historically if they stand in our way. It is what we do, what Izzy does. So why do we only cry for one victim of it in the world. Why not have a Genocide Rememberance Day where we remember them all, all the victims of this greed inspired warefare or lets remember none at all and accept that it is just something that happens.

At school we couldn't have a Jesus in the manger scene, but we had the Jewish candle obra(sp) their bible, and star on display.Not one liberal protester bitched, yet let the students put up a christmas tree and the liberals vandalized it.

Remember the Alamo is all I care to remember.

[harry hackedoff]

White man speak with forked tongue, but not you, Don, and not on this one.
"Standards" and "Double" spring to mind.
Do we all have, inately, the ability to become production-line exterminators?
I think we probably do.
The fact that we ultimately value human life, is what gives me hope. And simple things, like the day I`ve just had, today, with my lad.
Then you consider what mob rule can do, as per the two Cpls, and it`s easy to imagine how exterminating the Jews could be made to sound rational.

[Whitey]

I agree. These United States were started after a long war. The underlying message was "Respect the sanctity of human life" and this was good. Sure we had military commanders before 1865 who killed indians on behalf of corrupt governors and industry, but after our war that plunged us toward global hegemony we made an industry off killing anyone who stood in our way of progress. Then we exported it, "You wanna industrialize and join our world economy?" "Oh you don't?" and when they didn't we killed them for it.

Same with US and England, we percieved them as forcing their will on us, forcing labor on us, forcing wealth from us, we stood up, and if you think the crown didn't line up civilians you are nieve. We just happened to win. Look at Vietnam, wtf were we thinking? Containing communism? We couldn't contain it on college campus's, but dropping Napalm sure was fun. Poisioning our own soldiers with chemicals fueled the war time economy. What I'm saying is, we have lost the respect for life we claim to be based on.

The Izzy wants the world to be forced to sympathize with them, to stare at ugly images and be told "See, see what you let happen!"
Maybe had the Jew dominated banks and parliment of Kiaser Germany not sold the country out to achieve their primary interrest, Palestine there never would have been a Hitler. When you send the wind, prepare to reap the whirlwind. I love my country, I really do, but I recognize that wanton greed and selfishness have taken such deep root we no longer consider consequences of our actions on others or ourselves.

Everyone has the right to live(Except child molesters, crooks and murderers) and everyone has the responsibility to be honest and work honestly and do what is right, not what is malicious and selfish.

In America we just want more, fk the consequences or how we get it, and damn the politician who says "Wait a minute, lets think about this"

In Izzyland they want what we wanted in 1775 and got it, now they want what we wanted in 1830, the whole damned continent.

China wants Asia

The UK wants a fat dole to drink off of
The EU wants to be a world power
Africa wants whatever it can get
and some countries like Canada for example want to be left alone.
And at some point all this want will cause a conflict.

US and UK troops were starved, tortured and killed by Japs, where is their never forget vice and day. Ever see the film of our troops in camps?
Ever read about troops in camps in the American Civil War?
Bosnia, Rwanda and as we bullshit Darfur. It is just our nature as humans to be cruel. You English knew that. You invented the gentleman, a gentleman was to counter the savage nature we all have. To control those urges to hate, be cruel and treacherous and dishonest. If the world needs anything today it needs forthright and honest gentlemen, because if not we can shout till our voices give never again, place magnetic yellow ribbons on our vehicals and be appalled all we want and next door a kid lives iin abuse, accross the water a village is being lined up and shot or a camp is being errected to hold someone.
Right you are Harry, there is hope, but every so often the wold forgets its manners and they need to be reminded, unfortunately that reminder is an attrocity. Too bad our UN can't just go in and say "Enough, you go to your room and you go to yours, and don't come back out unless you want a spanking or you decide to use your manners."
Well probably too late for manners right now, China is ready to clean Japans clock for some reason, and if they do we'll fight China and I'm sure that the world after it is over will have a new batch of attrocities to review and be appalled by.
But Israel needs to take a hard look at its past present and future before it shouts to the world how bad it is. That would be like us in the US bitching about mass killings when we have a hstory of it since the 1830's. What we did in the west was sort of sick, funny thing is our oppressed negroes later aided in genociding indians as Buffalo Soldiers. Sherman and Grant lined American citizens up against walls, executed prisoners etc. We nuked Japan twice, you guys bombed Dresden. At some point we need to own up to what we do, and just decide we aren't going to do that anymore, or stop celebrating the Izzy plight like it is the only attrocity that ever happened or ever did.
Well, it isn't up to us though. We are humans. Jesus will come and when he does, there will be hell for many of us on this planet to pay.

[GD]

Aitch...My sentiments exactly and have been for some while....I cannot say that I have ever liked the Arabs, having seen them close to..
However I do think the Palestinians have been given the short straw and are still being rubbed up the wrong way, not only by the Israelis but the yanks who still bankrolling Israel
I also believe that the Palestinian problem is central to the middle east problem....sort that lot out and half the battle

Why do you think the Palestinians have been given the short straw? Israel has been attacked by all its neighbours in the past 60 years and Palestine continues to launch terrorist attacks on Israel's citizens.

If the Palestinians were to cease their actions against Israel then the killing would stop - immediately. Israel is willing to surrender territority back to them, has Palestinian representatives in the Knesset and allows full integration into Israel for Palestinian citizens who wish to live peacefully (and there are thousands who do).

Why then do you think Israel is the agressor?

[harry hackedoff]

Look at it from their perspective.

[GD]

What perspective would that be?