Americans abandoned my men, says 42 Cdo CO

[gash-hand]

Hhhhmmmm. Not too sure what point you are trying to make here cream.

As far as I am aware every country in the world is proud of itself first and foremost, so I can't really see 'British pride' as being something out of the ordinary there - in fact I'd go as far as to say its a lot more restrained than your average US pride.

As far as USARMY goes I wouldn't rely too much on him for authorative advice and opinions on world history/relations. Yes the US is probably the most authorative and militarially powerful country in the world at this moment in time - but who's to say it's going to remain that way?

The Brisith empire ended a while ago granted but at its height the UK was in the position the US now finds itself in - I am sure if you were around in those days the thought of the British empire ending would have seemed as alien as the US losing its superpower status does today.

However the British empire did end, as did the Romans and Mongol empires before it. Nothing in theis life is guarenteed and just because the world is like this today does not mean it will remain that way.

Before you can look to the future you first need to understand and learn from the past.

[Twenty One]

One thing the Americans have is fire power,and they know how to use it!

The other thing Britain has the brains,and they know how to use them!

Give me brains over brawn any day!


"Who Dares Wins,Who cares who wins as long as it is us".

[barryc]

gash,

You raised the very points I had in mind about the way empires rise... and fall. I like to think that despite the fact that we, the Brits, took what we wanted from our empire we did, like the Romans, leave much of merit behind, including administrative and legal systems. I fear with the attitude of many of our `cousins' the US ascendancy may be more like the 1000 year Reich, leaving nothing behind but destruction.

Barry

[lew]

I find it hard to understand threads like this, the UK and the US have been the strongest of allies since way before most of us were born and its obvious that the Americans needed some British input into the latest gulf war or they never would of got past Umm Quasr with out levelling it with their air force, but neither could Britain have liberated Iraq without American man power, cant everyone jus play nice and get along… At the end of the day we all know where ever there's going to be trouble we will both stand side by side no matter what. USARMY said earlier about its troops not being so well trained, well he’s right there not well trained not by British military standards but they don’t need to be, there are so many of them they can afford to lose more men sad fact I know but true none the less.

Blue on blue is terrible and it does always seem to be the allies of America that suffer, there isn’t an American out there who could argue against this but I’m sure some will try...

The way America has taken over the duties of policing the world to me seems like the father (Britain) handing over the family business but keeping a watchful eye to make all goes as well as possible, we the British once policed the world but our time has come and gone jus like all the super powers of the past i.e. Rome and Ancient Greece to name a couple.

All we can do is hope that George w Bush doesn’t get re- elected, as I’m sure that if Al Gore was rightfully elected we wouldn’t be having this debate (argument) as there would of been no war with Iraq...

lew

[harry hackedoff]

I copy this reply to an American Marine`s post elsewhere, for no good reason. Apart from terminal boredom obviously. So Elmer farked up, what`s new. Are we really going to flog this point to death? Please let`s move on,
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Hey Marine, of course we like you. If there were a top ten of who we like over your side, your Corps would be at the top. OORRRAAAAGGGGGHH Some of us have registered on Leatherneck, one of us moderates on there.
You know how calling people names works, I`m sure. Our use of the word Elmer, for instance, is generally in good humour. As is your use of the word Brit( even though we don`t like it because of it`s origins) Grunts like Teufelhund(Ron) or Leroy drop by now and again, Gearjammer likes this site so much he moved to lil ole England Mortardude wants to come here on vacation( when I say "here" I mean" there", obviously) Look at responses to their posts, they`re usually quite harmless
However, we do get a "certain type" of American poster on here who, intentionally or not, gets everyone`s back up. The latest being me old mate US ARMY( US Mary to some) His posts often are well argued and articulate, but christ`s sake, does that guy even know how to turn down the boredom? I don`t think so. I don`t have any tits left, he bored them off me long ago. His posts are like a visit from Jehova`s Witnesses. Severe "sense of humour failure" probably as a result of his recent charisma by-pass operation. The words "lighten up, you boring bastard" spring to mind.
He is on a one-man mission to rid the world of any derogatory remarks about the US of A. He hasn`t quite worked out that certain members on here are winding him up
If I were an American visiting this site and looked at his posts, with constant arguement and slagging off Elmer as common themes, I certainly would not come back here.
Ignore the jerk-offs like him, we have a few of our own, visit often and enjoy yourself. Unquote

Aye, enough already, oy veh

[US Marine]

I can only say that I was fortunate enough in my career never having to fight alongside American troops.

Aye - Andy.

Well Andy, I sure fought along side canadian paratroopers in Somalia. The same ones that tortured a 16 year old kid to death.

Some of the 'elite' USMC have no idea re fire and manoevre and if my jd's are correct, were engaging, with platoon weapons, targets at least 1000m away!
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As far as THIS goes... its how would you guys say it rubbish... I have friends over in Iraq right now, US Marines and I can tell you that they're just as agressive and smart as any unit in the world. Something to prove no. Trigger happy no, agressive yes. Ready to fight yes. Im just like you guys If you heard some one bashing your country and your corps how would you feel??? Espically your "allies" . Hey you don't like the US its your opinion. I just always got on well with you guys in training and thought you liked and respected us the same way we liked and respected you. Obvioulsy that isnt the case. Cant say im not a little in shock at all this. Ok well Im just another loud mouthed, trigger happy, blue on blue causing, cowardly, no tactic knowing us marine sniper.
L/Cpl R.M. (Retd).

[harry hackedoff]

easy tiger

Obvioulsy that isnt the case

For some of us, it is very much the case. Sort the wheat from the chaff
Sempers,
Aye,[/quote]

[Andy O'Pray]

US Marine, I am an ex patriot Brit who happened to choose to live in Canada. I have never been in the Canadian Armed Forces, albeit my son is. I served my 23 years in the Royal Marines.

I am only too aware how ill equipped and undermanned the Canadian forces are, not the fault of the people, but that of our governments. I, nor any Canadian can excuse the actions of a few psychos such as those in Somalia. I could not comment on the training or the tactics of Canadian forces and I have never worked alongside them. I have, however, had experience of exercising alongside US Marines.

Aye - Andy.

[US Marine]

Andy,
I hope you understand and I'm sure you do. Just like you can't help what a few psychos did in somalia I can't help what some idiot pilot or officer did in the corps. I don't know what part of the US Marine Corps you worked with or what you did, but we used to have an old colors sergeant up at marine corps mountain warfare training center and he loved the US marines. I have never ever had a problem with the RM. I've always felt that it was the US and UK aginst the world... As for your terrible experiance with the US Marines sorry. Tell me what happened. But Im sure you can understand my stepping up and defending MY Corps right??? I mean If you went into a bar and heard someone bashing the RM and the UK what would you do? At least say something right?

Sir, I thank you for your service and am sorry the US Marines left such a bad impression. I personally love them, but there you are. Well I'm still a fan and supporter of the UK and RM, but you marines understand I gotta stick up for my corps.

[lew]

USmarine everyone here in Britain is sore over the blue on blue just as the us would be there is nothing wrong with that at all, and I’m sure that not all of the USMC isn’t as un-professional as the ones that un fortunately seen on the biggest news stations in Britain. Don’t worry though not all British soldiers and civvies hate the USA or your MC…

Lew

[Andy O'Pray]

US Marine, I never said that I had a terrible experience with the US Marines, I would have described it more accurately as a frustrating experience. Company commanders who were poor at map reading, SNCO's who's tactics left a bit to be desired. I was the Unit Sergeant Major of a reserve unit at the time, who was given the task of organising a land exercise for the US Marine Ace Mobile Force when it docked in Cardiff. I won't go into all of the details, plus it happened a long time ago and I believe there were still many conscripts serving at the time.

Aye - Andy.

[US Marine]

Whats on the News there about the US. Marines??? Look all I'm saying is there seems to be alot of US bashing in all these forums. Hey its a free country say and do what you want, I can't say your wrong. Its your opinion. All the complaining dosen't however fit in very well with that famous English stoacism.

As far as blue on blue, I've adressed my regret and sorrow over that. Theres no excuse. I however am not a pilot and don't know what happened. Believe me when ever ANY allied soldier, sailor, airman, or marine dies in combat I feel it. You have my sincere apologies.

I think part of the problem is the fact that the U.S. relies too heavily on technology on the battlefield. The Marines however despite what everyone seems to think here do not. We ARE a proud, agressive, well trained branch of the US military. I take just as much pride in being a marine as you all do. I have never bashed the UK or RM in any of my posts here or on socnet. Again, I'm a fan and allie.

[US Marine]

US Marine, I never said that I had a terrible experience with the US Marines, I would have described it more accurately as a frustrating experience. Company commanders who were poor at map reading, SNCO's who's tactics left a bit to be desired. I was the Unit Sergeant Major of a reserve unit at the time, who was given the task of organising a land exercise for the US Marine Ace Mobile Force when it docked in Cardiff. I won't go into all of the details, plus it happened a long time ago and I believe there were still many conscripts serving at the time.

Aye - Andy.

Sgt.Maj,

If this exercise took place in the late 70's early 80's I will have to admit, that the U.S. was going through its hippie,peace and love, drugged out phase. The US Marines however has always except one time in its history been a volunteer force. But I believe during the late 60's we did accept conscripts... As far as SNCO's and officers being terrible in the field. Well sir, I can only say that yes we have deficiant officers and staff NCO's as I'm sure the RM does as well. theres always that 10% that slip through. For the most part however our INFANTRY staff NCO's are top notch. I say that because we have many many MOS's in the Corps. When you say ACE that SgtMaj. at least today is the Air Combat Element. Air wingers dont know infantry tactics. But really if your not a grunt whats the point right...

[Andy O'Pray]

US Marine, How dare you refer to me as English, before I became a Canuck I was a Scot. You will have to take time and study our sense of humour, it is very subtle and for those who have never experienced it, it can sound insulting. You should get in touch with your countryman Gearjammer, he should be getting used to it by now.

See what you have done, now all of these English bar stewards are going to start insulting me now.

Aye - Andy.

[lew]

Cant you to just drop this one, USMARINE Andy obviously has a problem with usmc and no amount of arguing is going to change that and this is now completely off subject !!!