America wants us to give back the Falkland islands

[Twenty One]

Condor,The Falkland Islands are British because everyone on the islands WANTS to be BRITISH, not Argentinian.You do not invade a small country like the FI and expect the people to like or accept you just because some braindead dictator wants the islands for himself.What interests do the Argentinians have on the islands that warrented an invasion,or was it just Galtieri thinking that the stupid Brits won't send a task force down that distance to defend them.WRONG, we Brits will go to the moon to defend our people if neccessary.

[Archie]

Hi Condor

I understand perfectly how you feel about the Islands, but as my colleagues have explained, self-determinism is the name of the game. As long as the majority of this democratic colony choose to remain under British rule, nobody has the right to use force to sway their opinions.

Whatever has happened in the past, the reality is in the present day situation. If in the future the majority of Islanders vote becomes pro Argentinian then that is their right.

Many good people from both sides lost their lives in the conflict, and sadly sabre rattling by the either of our governments only inflames an already volatile situation.

You have the right to your opinion, as I have to mine and the islanders to theirs, let us use the ballot and not the bullet next time.

[condor]

My Brits friends, let me make a simple example:
What will you do if a get into your house, kick you out, put my family in…You will try to talk to me trying to persuade me to give your house back…If I don’t hear you, you will call the “police” or the “judge”…If they can’t persuade me…you will finally use the force…But unfortunately I am stronger than you…So you go to the “judge” or the “police” again…but now they say that the people that lives inside the house is who decides…It doesn´t seems to be fare
Self-determinism is a wrong way...the kelpers are nothing more than “civil occupation forces”
Do you know that in the year 1967 or something your gov. accept to return the islands but a change of government in your country as well as a protest of the Kelpers ruin it…also after the WWII you present a list of colony to the UN that you were decided to return…that shows us that you are not capable to follow the rules of international organism that you lead
Look, only after the war the Kelpers were considered as British citizens, most of you didn´t know where they were before the war…and most of you still don´t know. Face it…for you now the islands represent something just because of the war
It is really true what Twenty one said about that we thought that you wouldn’t travel for 14000 miles to fight a war…also we thought that your dad (USA) would be neutral…
But you were wrong also thinking that the war was going to be a picnic…some one in this forum wrote that you won the war easily…I doubt it…may be he should ask that to the captains of the Sheffield, Ardent, Glasgow, Glamorgan, Antrim, Yarmouth, Antelope, Coventry, Broadsword, Sir Galahad, Sir Tristam(this ships for the ones who don´t know were sunk or seriously damaged), to the ones that were in the battle of Goose Green, or Mont Longdon or Tumbledown…without mention Woodward who in many occasions he thought that you were about to lose…
Look…changing the subject…I am still looking for someone who served in the HMS Sheffield, if it is no possible to find them, I will be honored to interview another person that served in other ship…also it would be great pilots or troops who where under air attack ( the web site is about the Argentine Air Force and I would like to write about how does the “enemy” feel about them)

[Sisyphus]

Condor,

IF Argentina were to get back the islands, how quickly would you move there? Or any of your friends? Or anyone else you know?

[= Jay =]

Condor....please Refer yourself to this Website!

History of Falklands

I will quote some things for the People of the Site.

1522, 1592
Argentine versions state that various Spanish and Portuguese seamen, were first to see the islands. The most documented case is that of Esteban Gómez on the ship San Antonio of the famous Spanish expedition headed by Magellan, who discovers the isles while returning to Spain in 1522. Argentine historian Maria Laura San Martino de Dromi lists maps dated 1522 through 1561 showing the Malvinas off the mainland coast.

1690
The English captain John Strong heading a British expedition made the first recorded landing in the Falklands, in 1690. The British claim the islands for the crown and named the sound between the two main islands after Viscount Falkland, a British naval official. The name was later applied to the whole island group.

1774
The British withdraw from the island (for economic reasons according to British sources). Spain maintains the settlement on East Falkland (which it called Soledad Island) until 1811, when Spain is about to lose control of its colonies in America.

Then Argentians make a settlement and supposedly lay claim, even though it was claimed by British some 84 Years Earlier.

Then the Americans and Argentians have a Abit of a Scuffly Over It.

Then in 1883 the British Re-Established There Settlement and Claim on the Islands.

and from then on, They Have Been Ours.

So in Truth, The Falklands have Never been Argentian...you had a Settlement there, but the Islands were already clamined by the British.

[Sisyphus]

Condor

Re your last question: I think you'll find that pilots on both sides have the greatest respect for each other. There have been meetings between Harrier pilots and the Argentinian pilots they shot down. they have been friendly with both sides showing mutual respect.

Similarly there was a Welsh Guardsman, Simon Weston, who was very badly burned when the Sir Galahad was sunk. He has visited Argentina and was shown great courtesy. On his part, he says he has no animosity to the Argentinian soldiers and pilots who, like him, were just doing their duty. When he heard about the sinking of the Belgrano he said that all he felt was great sadness for the young men who lost their lives.

I think most of those who fought (on either side) would express similar views.

[condor]

Sisyphus...I agree with you about the pilots and everything but about if i would live there...I would if I could get a nicec job...I don`t want the Malvinas because I want to live there, I want them because their are ours
Jay...look the Malvinas belonged to Spain...The international law said that If a colony get his Independece they will heretated the hole territory
Because of my limits speacking english i cant explein it better

[TK421]

While we`re on the subject of air power, don`t forget Elmer gave us the latest version of AIM Sidewinder.

Elmer didn't give anything, an order for Sidewinders had already been placed and paid for before the Falklands War, but not delivered. Elmer just bought forward the delivery date, afterall it wasn't going to hurt Ford and Raytheon Sidewinder sales if it performed well, would it? Nothing like a battle proven system to increase sales.


An order may have already been placed but that's not what you got. The 105 (I think it was 105) missles you got came from our own front line Air Force and Navy on very short notice, 48 hours I think. We don't do that for just anybody.

[Jason The Argonaut]

also we thought that your dad (USA)

Condor explain what you mean ??

Because I don't remember when America populated and colonised Britain, I do believe it was the other way around.

[GINGE]

also we thought that your dad (USA) would be neutral…

Sticks and stones, At least we're not Bastards then,
You lost your chance , Now F**K Off and die.

[spitz]

An order may have already been placed but that's not what you got. The 105 (I think it was 105) missiles you got came from our own front line Air Force and Navy on very short notice, 48 hours I think. We don't do that for just anybody.

Here’s the funny thing, by 1983 it was expected that 16,000 of the 9L’s would be made, so 105 Sidewinders was hardly a significant number out of the U.S. inventory even in 82’. And no, the U.S. wouldn’t supply missiles and intelligence to all and sundry, but if in 82’ Syria had occupied part of Israel the U.S. would have supplied whatever Israel wanted, no questions. Strangely it seems that (more than a few) Americans view supplying the British in 82’ as a favour and we should be forever grateful, not a situation of one ally supplying another.

And that whole ‘we saved your ass’ mentality takes a real leap in imagination with Americans like that w@nker Richard Perle saying: "Britain would probably have lost the war without American assistance. That's how significant it was (U.S. help)." so the effort in retaking the Falklands has now been reduced to the fact that America supplied Sidewinders and intelligence?

What confuses me is why Americans make these claims when its patently obvious that they would never put their hands up and claim responsibility if the Falklands had been lost. Beggars belief.

[Twenty One]

Well said JAY, and thank you for the History lesson on the FI,I sincerely hope that Condor will accept that the FI are BRITISH,and that will end the discussion.

[TK421]

An order may have already been placed but that's not what you got. The 105 (I think it was 105) missiles you got came from our own front line Air Force and Navy on very short notice, 48 hours I think. We don't do that for just anybody.

Here’s the funny thing, by 1983 it was expected that 16,000 of the 9L’s would be made, so 105 Sidewinders was hardly a significant number out of the U.S. inventory even in 82’. And no, the U.S. wouldn’t supply missiles and intelligence to all and sundry, but if in 82’ Syria had occupied part of Israel the U.S. would have supplied whatever Israel wanted, no questions. Strangely it seems that (more than a few) Americans view supplying the British in 82’ as a favour and we should be forever grateful, not a situation of one ally supplying another.

And that whole ‘we saved your ass’ mentality takes a real leap in imagination with Americans like that w@nker Richard Perle saying: "Britain would probably have lost the war without American assistance. That's how significant it was (U.S. help)." so the effort in retaking the Falklands has now been reduced to the fact that America supplied Sidewinders and intelligence?

What confuses me is why Americans make these claims when its patently obvious that they would never put their hands up and claim responsibility if the Falklands had been lost. Beggars belief.

Yes, this is the case of one ally supplying another. Thank you for making my point.
This is like going to my neighbors house and asking to borrow some milk and he gives me some, no problem. Then later, instead of just saying thank you, I try and down play it by saying that he would have also given milk to his other friend across the street, or that it was some plot by the evil milk corporations to boost sales, or just saying that it didn't matter because I could have cooked my eggs without the milk anyway, so screw him. When all I had to do was say thank you.
Yeah, I don't like Perle either, but Thatcher's foreign affairs advisor also said the same thing. Does that make him a "w@#k" also?
Did the missiles win the war? Personally I don't think so. But that many sidewinders weren't produced at the Raytheon plant in 48 hours. They came from our military. Would we have done the same for Israel, sure. So?
I just don't get where the insults are coming from here. You asked for something, we gave it to you, and in return.....we get insulted? Oh well, different cultures I guess.

[Twenty One]

One thing I have noticed.Britain is never ever ready to fight anywhere in the world without the help from the Yanks.We are always borrowing or buying kit at the last minute,and we have a very bad habit of putting all our eggs in one basket eg The Atlantic Conveyer sunk with valuable helicopter and ammunition on board,who the hell sanctioned that!

[spitz]

TK421

We did thank you and paid for the milk, I mean, you don’t actually believe uncle Sam was driven by altruistic motives do you? Your milk story has a fine ring to it, but it still suggests this was a favour between neighbours, it wasn’t, it was a deal, a contract and money changed hands to secure the milk.

And when your neighbour turns up and tells everyone that the omelette (I presume were talking about an omelette) was in fact made from the milk he supplied but the chef, eggs and filling were superfluous to needs - i.e. Perle and his ilk basically portraying the U.S. as the key ingredient in winning the Falklands war - that’s an insult to all the British forces and anyone who calls themselves British.

If Thatcher’s spokesman (if it was Sir Geoffrey Howe, yes he was a w@nker) said the same as Perle then there’s yet another thankyou, but I’ll also point out one of my previous posts stating the Minister of Defence, John Knott, saying that the French were better allies. And if the French were better allies you have to ask what was the Reagan administration upto?

The point about Israel is a kicker, Perle (knowing his political bias) would NEVER have made that statement about Israel, it would have been about the brave and professional Israelis blah, blah, blah. And that’s another insult to us, something we British are expected to just take with good grace. I don’t think so.