How would you train your own special forces??

[hc00]

I know what a Navy Seal is......I did treat one who fell from a helicopter into a swamp in NC after forgetting to clip on his figure of 8 onto his abseil rope!

anyway....



if you look closer, the bloke has a cricket bat stuck to his head and the seal is advising him not to pull it but to go to the ER and let a nurse take a look!

Hahaha, At least his tongues not stuck to a lampost >.<

[sloth]

get me right here is bladedragon stating that us sf are better than uksf????????? cause id like to know out of which of there thousand apon thousands of so called sf units he is reffering too oh yes he said seals didnt he welllllllllllllll who does the seals turn to when they need training oh yes thats it it would be the SBS what about delta set up along same lines of initial selection and training run by hmmmmmmmmm SAS

obviouisly being 17 and a gamer he has masses of experiance and exposure to special forces units so what the hell he must be right. me i only spent a cpl of years playing with the uksf(r) so i l know feck all but in that time saw dutch (good boys) norwiegian(excelent boys)and yank sf in action yanks yes they are good but not as good as they think they are they are to specialised, they lack an all rounded aproach and as such there sf units cant work in harmony with each other which uksf can, ref op barras for an example to many dogs fighting for the scraps at the table as well simple matter is if you want to get into a who's best match then look to operational success's and you find that uksf are a mile in front but they are far to modest to go singing about it humility and all

so monkey boy go beat one of to the blonde bint from dungeons and draggons or what ever and stop being a dunderhieded twat

[Devils_Advocate]

Please don't abuse animals, it's inhumane.

WTF? How can beating a seal be inhumane - the clue is in the answer - it would be inangustirostris (I think- but seal taxonimy was never my strong point).

The seal beating the human THAT is inhumane - plonker....I dunno what do they teach in skools in the States these days. Certainly not diet control techniques - or is that stereotyping? Or is that typing on two keyboards at once? too many questions.

[Dickie]

Thank you so much people for cheering me up after a bad night working! I just got back now and this thread is priceless - how did I miss it before?! And my thanks also go out to the topic starter, after reading this I feel so much better about myself, yup I'm 17 too, and I was starting to get depressed at the thought that life was getting pretty poor for far too many reasons - but it could be worse: I could be you mate

So ta people, you've made my day

Keep up the good work!

[Wee Willy Winkie]

just a quick bit of info for you. (ill put it in Yanky terms for you)
USA invades iraq, goes straight to baghdad, forgets all other splinter units (this means soldiers working in small numbers - just for you BladeDwagon), British army comes up behind USA as they arent too bothered about who gets to baghdad first just that the job is done, Her Majesties Forces get attacked in flanks (side) by splinter units that the USA simply ignored.
BUT ON THE WHOLE, YES THEY USA ARE VERY GOOD........................
(anybody gonna see the joke in that )
USA motto - never leave your guys behind!!
W>W>W

[I3ladeDragon]

just a quick bit of info for you. (ill put it in Yanky terms for you)
USA invades iraq, goes straight to baghdad, forgets all other splinter units (this means soldiers working in small numbers - just for you BladeDwagon), British army comes up behind USA as they arent too bothered about who gets to baghdad first just that the job is done, Her Majesties Forces get attacked in flanks (side) by splinter units that the USA simply ignored.

And what did that have to do with the SKILL of the SF's?? What you were talking about was tactical errors. (As for the guy who is directing our troops, I will vote someone more able into power when I come of age to vote.)

[Jobag]

Bladew*nker,

Do you wish to one day join your countries Special forces?

If no, why the obsession with them?

[hc00]

just a quick bit of info for you. (ill put it in Yanky terms for you)
USA invades iraq, goes straight to baghdad, forgets all other splinter units (this means soldiers working in small numbers - just for you BladeDwagon), British army comes up behind USA as they arent too bothered about who gets to baghdad first just that the job is done, Her Majesties Forces get attacked in flanks (side) by splinter units that the USA simply ignored.

And what did that have to do with the SKILL of the SF's?? What you were talking about was tactical errors. (As for the guy who is directing our troops, I will vote someone more able into power when I come of age to vote.)

Wern't the American Tactics in Iraq thought up by the Generals involved and not anyone in cabinet, thats what I was told

[wannabe_rock]

I may be wrong her, if so feel free to shoot me down in a blaze of glory!!

It is my understanding that the tactics used on OpTelic or IF whatever you want to call it, were designed by a sort of amalgamation between the cabinet and the Generals "in theatre".

The Generals "in theatre" were sat in a nice cosy Hilton in Saudi or London, I cant quite remember, point being the Generals in theatre were hundreds or even thousands of miles away, so what use they were, finger on the pulse wise, who knows?

Also the cabinet had a say because they felt they couldn't censor the war from the public with all the media in theatre. Some operations / manouvers were actually delayed or rushed through to either hide from the media or show the media, because the government thought it would be good for the publics morale and support of the war!!!

So I suppose what im trying to say is, the generals in theatre were actually miles, away while the media was in theatre, disrupting the actions of the forces, hence the government having a say on what tactics were used and when. When will the bureaucrats stop interfering and let the people who actually know what they are doing do their job.

[Wee Willy Winkie]

i dont know why im saying this now but talking about the war probably helped! i just noticed that the media coverage of the war when we were still technically 'fighting' was absolutely brilliant. i would come in home from school and just catch up on the latest movements etc (sad i know but hey i was interested ) any serving find this an annoyance out there or did the crews tend to keep away?? cheers. WWW

[flo]

If i had to train my own special forces, they would all be women with pre menstrual tension. Now you tell me who would want to come up against one female in top form, never mind a whole gaggle of them.

And id make them wear pink

The damn Yanks might see them and not mistake them for Iraqi forces and indulge in a friendly fire exercise!!!

No offence wholley.

[I3ladeDragon]

Bush's war in Iraq is stupid, which I would have to agree with. At FIRST there was good reason, but then very shortly after it turned into a pointless continuation. I am personally for Kerry and would have voted him into office instead. What I am talking about is our SF's skills. Not that they are sent into a stupid war with stupid people running it.

And for Jobag, I may or may not want to join my countries special forces. I have thought over it as a possibility, but I have another goal in front of serving in the military. If I can't succeed in my goal, then I will most likely join the military and try and make it into the SF's. As for an obsession with them, read the first post. It's not really an obsession with them. If I was obsessed with them, I could have braught up more better and valid arguments here. However, I am not obsessed with them, meaning I know little about SF's and thats why I came here int eh first place, to get a better understanding of their basic training and equipment.

And why do you star out w*nker? is it a bad word in your country? (if so, how bad???) (no offence... just curious.)

[Sarastro]

Bush's war in Iraq is stupid, which I would have to agree with. At FIRST there was good reason, but then very shortly after it turned into a pointless continuation.

That might well be the case, but in 3 years of talking about it, that's the stupidest reason I have heard for it being stupid. Honestly, what does that last sentence even mean?

For one, what was this good reason for the Iraq war? Unless it is some vast machiavellian conspiracy theory involving oil and making lots of money for a GOP cabal, I suspect you are going to have a hard time coming up with one.

Easier question; give me an example of anything where the validity of a reason for doing something is negated by the result? Show me that, and I'll show you something which isn't a good reason. The result may be unexpected, the reasoning may be revealed with hindsight and more information to have been bad, but none of that affects the original premise at the time it is made. IE, you cannot have a good reason which then becomes 'a pointless continuation'.

Which, finally, is the real star: what exactly is the alternative to a 'pointless continuation'? Zip in, blow the hell out of the place, then bugger off tout-suite and hope it all turns out okay? Perhaps I am lacking imagination. Enlighten me!

By the way, I seem to remember you lamenting how unfriendly the British response had been on this thread; my uncle is ex-USN, perfectly amiable chap, but if you posted or brought (NB: spelling) this up with him and his friends, you would get a much less friendly response, believe me.

PS Nice to know that you were for Kerry (about a year late for the present tense), but please, do the rest of the world a favour, and don't involve yourself in the US political process until you show some brain activity. CDC really needs to start issuing some public health warnings along the lines of 'Stupid People - Don't Vote!'...

[Wee Willy Winkie]

lololol perhaps you should change your name to sarCastro. i hope you get that as itll just look daft if i attempt to explain it......for both of us www

[flo]

And i'd still make them wear pink