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potential solution for muslim fundamentalist terrorism...
Agreed. They used to shut off the roads to let Abu "Hook" Hamza preach venom against us undisturbed, whilst in the congregation were Muslim blokes wearing those ominous looking scarves that Yasser Arafat wore, mad.dootybooty wrote:Whats all this muslim community crap? I thought community meant people living together. We are supposed to be one community in Great Britain. A British Community. To say muslim, shik or afro carribian, kurdish or even polish community creates division. We have allowed people who do not respect our traditions or way of life to make their homes in this country, a country it seems many of them despise. We have allowed them to gehttoise themselves and import so called holy men, who do not even speak our language, to preach against us.
Bloody political correctness, the problem is Tony is married to a woman who makes HUGE sums out of money from protecting the "Human Rights" of those lot.
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mfat_man
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4748717.stm
Does anyone think the new measures are going to help or is it a case of too little, too late??
Does anyone think the new measures are going to help or is it a case of too little, too late??
I think they will help up to a point, providing they are speedtracked through all the rigmarole of introducing new laws.mfat_man wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4748717.stm
Does anyone think the new measures are going to help or is it a case of too little, too late??
Shame it took the deaths of 50+ people to shake Govt up but somethings better than nothing.
Saw a poll on ITV news today on whether people whi incite hatred should be tried for treason......99% (!) of people agreed, which shows in my opinion the dramatic U-turn in public opinion following 7/7.
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Bliartheliar
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I agree that those who incite terrorism should be charged with treason, conspiracy to commit murder and inciting terrorism. But these people put thier religion before the country, so I dont think it will create a deterrent. Ovcourse, locking them up and isolating them will prevent them from spreading thier viewpoints, but it may have a negative effect. Some Muslims may see this as an attack on Islam, because it will basically outlaw the practise of ijtihad - the practice of discussing and interpreting the hadith in different ways.
Im not one to say that we should put lives in danger by trying not to offend Muslims (such as poeple saying that it is racist for police to search Asian people more often following 7/7), but the implications of such a move could be huge. Look at the amount of stick the French got for banning headscarfs in schools.
Charge them with treason by all means - string them up for all I care. But terrorism is something that must be countered from every angle. Instead of just banning thier interpretation of Islam, destroy it with education and discussion.
In my opinion, for a Muslim to become a terrorist he must be motivated in two or three ways:
1. Political motivation - ie: the freedom of Palestine, removal of regimes, occupation of Iraq, etc, ect.
2. Religious Motivation (especially for 'martyrs') - ie: if they die, allah will accept them into paradise - in thier opinion there is a great difference between someone who takes his own life out of depression, and 'martyrs' - who die for a cause. Suicide bombers need this
3. For terrorists, legitimate targets - ie: that it is justified to target civlians in order for political gain. This is done through extreme interpretation of the hadith.
With number 1 a Muslim is radicalised to wage 'jihad' - he/she will fight for thier cause economically, politically or will take up arms against a military target
With number 2, a Muslim will not fear death, and in many cases will welcome it. At this stage, they will not see civilians as legitimate targets, therefore will only take up arms against an aggressive military force - eg: suicide bombers throwing themselves at tanks, mujahideen fighters who arent afraid to die.
With number 3, the Muslim will consider everyone a legitimate target in the fight for thier cause - eg: civlilian populations - at this stage they become a terrorist and will not hestitate to murder.
Bannning 'clerics of hate' may be a step in the right direction, but it will not be enough. At the end of the day, an angry muslim, politically and relgiously motivated may come to the conclusion that terrorism is justified on his own. That is 'al qaeda' - the threat that we face today. Anyone, with the extreme motivation is potentially a terrorist. They dont need training, or to have links with other extremists. They can be independant individuals, who decide to go out and kill at thier own accord.
Im not one to say that we should put lives in danger by trying not to offend Muslims (such as poeple saying that it is racist for police to search Asian people more often following 7/7), but the implications of such a move could be huge. Look at the amount of stick the French got for banning headscarfs in schools.
Charge them with treason by all means - string them up for all I care. But terrorism is something that must be countered from every angle. Instead of just banning thier interpretation of Islam, destroy it with education and discussion.
In my opinion, for a Muslim to become a terrorist he must be motivated in two or three ways:
1. Political motivation - ie: the freedom of Palestine, removal of regimes, occupation of Iraq, etc, ect.
2. Religious Motivation (especially for 'martyrs') - ie: if they die, allah will accept them into paradise - in thier opinion there is a great difference between someone who takes his own life out of depression, and 'martyrs' - who die for a cause. Suicide bombers need this
3. For terrorists, legitimate targets - ie: that it is justified to target civlians in order for political gain. This is done through extreme interpretation of the hadith.
With number 1 a Muslim is radicalised to wage 'jihad' - he/she will fight for thier cause economically, politically or will take up arms against a military target
With number 2, a Muslim will not fear death, and in many cases will welcome it. At this stage, they will not see civilians as legitimate targets, therefore will only take up arms against an aggressive military force - eg: suicide bombers throwing themselves at tanks, mujahideen fighters who arent afraid to die.
With number 3, the Muslim will consider everyone a legitimate target in the fight for thier cause - eg: civlilian populations - at this stage they become a terrorist and will not hestitate to murder.
Bannning 'clerics of hate' may be a step in the right direction, but it will not be enough. At the end of the day, an angry muslim, politically and relgiously motivated may come to the conclusion that terrorism is justified on his own. That is 'al qaeda' - the threat that we face today. Anyone, with the extreme motivation is potentially a terrorist. They dont need training, or to have links with other extremists. They can be independant individuals, who decide to go out and kill at thier own accord.
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markthestab
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good points mate but i think we've tried the softly softly approach for too long and the radical muslim community has litterally got away with murder
now its time to clamp down on all this crap and see where that takes us, hopefully the muslim community will sit up and realise why these measures are being taken and help expel the extremists that give them a bad name rather than playing the victim and screaming about racism and human rights
these new measures are what most of the country want now i believe
not exteme moves but enough for people to get the message that we wont tolerate your hatred of britain, and if you dont like it f@#k off
now its time to clamp down on all this crap and see where that takes us, hopefully the muslim community will sit up and realise why these measures are being taken and help expel the extremists that give them a bad name rather than playing the victim and screaming about racism and human rights
these new measures are what most of the country want now i believe
not exteme moves but enough for people to get the message that we wont tolerate your hatred of britain, and if you dont like it f@#k off
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Bliartheliar
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I completely agree mate.
Though instead of tackling the problem one step at a time, which seems to be the popular approach to everything these days, assault the problem from all angles.
Look at racism - racism has been virtualy eradicated from everyday life. However that doesnt mean that the belief no longer exists. Simply removing these clerics is certainly a step in the right direction, but its not going to prevent terrorism.
These measures only deal with those known to share the extremist beliefs. We need to take on the belief before it enters someones mind.
Though instead of tackling the problem one step at a time, which seems to be the popular approach to everything these days, assault the problem from all angles.
Look at racism - racism has been virtualy eradicated from everyday life. However that doesnt mean that the belief no longer exists. Simply removing these clerics is certainly a step in the right direction, but its not going to prevent terrorism.
These measures only deal with those known to share the extremist beliefs. We need to take on the belief before it enters someones mind.
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Wholley
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Bliartheliar
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