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Religion is simply b****x
I was in a situation a few years ago when I was told my partner was given 48 hours to live. I can honestly say hand on heart I never asked for help.Maroon wrote:We can all say we don't believe in god or a god but ultimately at some point on your life either when some one close is dying or you are in a life threatening situation I bet you've said 'Please if there is one, help me now' I know I have!!
My partner and I are non-believers and this works for us. We have two children 16 year old lad and a 14 year old girl. Neither one of them know what my partner and I believe in as we think they are to young too understand and we do not want to influence their decision. It is something they have to work out on their own. Neither of them have been christened that is something we will sort out when they have made their decision.
My mother finds alot of comfort in the church and I fell that if that works for her then great.
I don't think religion is a bad thing all in all as it gives a lot of comfort to people.
What I do find disgusting is that so many people have to die because of it.
Angie
Religion like the world is a funny old thing, now why are we Christians, Jesus was not a Christian he was a Jew, so why are we not all Jews. Or do we just fancy being one of those Sects. Maroon said there must be a god or there is no reason to life, well is there any reason to life, except that we are highest form of animal life on this at the moment, the thing is to enjoy your life while you have it. Now man has been trying to explain his reason for being since he stood upright. The only thing that they could come up with is some form of god, well thats all right until man took charge of kingdom on earth and wanted to rule the land in the name of God. Now the Muslims take a lot of stick on the way that they follow their teachings, now if had had not been for Henry 8th breaking from Rome I think the Catholic church would still have the rest of us in just a tight grip.
Do I believe, well I have said a few prays when shit has been flying around my ears, but the rest of the time you should be able to work that out for your selfs by what I have written.
Do I believe, well I have said a few prays when shit has been flying around my ears, but the rest of the time you should be able to work that out for your selfs by what I have written.
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I think Religion is a good thing it gives people hope and without hope your nothing. I know that when the proverbial s**t has hit the fan i allways say a prayer. 1. Because if there is somebody up there looking over us it can't hurt to edge your bets. 2. It helps me sort my head out as i talk it over with myself rather than flap about the situation.
This has reminded of a situation on the MTV Programme Jackass! One of the guys was dressed as the devil standing on a street corner with a billboard saying keep jesus out of California. A passer by went mental and really layed into him, and as far as im concerned i would of done the same thing. The bloke deserved it
If your not a believer fair enough, but if you are good on you. Just don't try and use it as a reason to kill people!
This has reminded of a situation on the MTV Programme Jackass! One of the guys was dressed as the devil standing on a street corner with a billboard saying keep jesus out of California. A passer by went mental and really layed into him, and as far as im concerned i would of done the same thing. The bloke deserved it

If your not a believer fair enough, but if you are good on you. Just don't try and use it as a reason to kill people!

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In my opinion there is no reason for life, in the sense that life was not created for any puropse. Obviously I dont know, and no one else knows, where life came from. Theories have been put forward but all of them, including the theory that life was desposited on earth by a passing comet, deal with why life exists on earth and not how the first life form was developed.
The most likely theory of why we exist is that of Darwin - that everything has ultimately evolved from a single organism or group of organisms - although I doubt that we will ever find the answer to what sparked that first organism. I believe that life is basically a coincidence or a fluke (although that fluke may have repeated itself many times throughout the universe sparking different life forms elsewhere). Humans are simply another species that have evolved differently from all other plants and animals.
Ovcourse people have the right to believe in god. Religion does unite the masses but, like someone said previously, people have corrupted it for thier own gain. I dont think that there are religions which express hate or violence, but every relgion has extremist followers who are willing to 'misguide' others for thier own political end. Its great that people follow thier religious beliefs, but if they do it to the detriment of others then it is not right.
Im an athiest because I have looked at the evidence and come to the conclusion that there is no evidence to support religion other than word of mouth. For example, Jesus died 2000 years ago yet in that time no other 'act of god' has ever taken place but people continue to believe in him. In my opinion that is like believing in 2000 years time, that Uri Geller is a prophet because he can bend a spoon. Some people in Austrailia/NZ even worship a fence post because they believe that it looks like the Virgin Mary (another impossibility) if you squint at it!
The most likely theory of why we exist is that of Darwin - that everything has ultimately evolved from a single organism or group of organisms - although I doubt that we will ever find the answer to what sparked that first organism. I believe that life is basically a coincidence or a fluke (although that fluke may have repeated itself many times throughout the universe sparking different life forms elsewhere). Humans are simply another species that have evolved differently from all other plants and animals.
Ovcourse people have the right to believe in god. Religion does unite the masses but, like someone said previously, people have corrupted it for thier own gain. I dont think that there are religions which express hate or violence, but every relgion has extremist followers who are willing to 'misguide' others for thier own political end. Its great that people follow thier religious beliefs, but if they do it to the detriment of others then it is not right.
Im an athiest because I have looked at the evidence and come to the conclusion that there is no evidence to support religion other than word of mouth. For example, Jesus died 2000 years ago yet in that time no other 'act of god' has ever taken place but people continue to believe in him. In my opinion that is like believing in 2000 years time, that Uri Geller is a prophet because he can bend a spoon. Some people in Austrailia/NZ even worship a fence post because they believe that it looks like the Virgin Mary (another impossibility) if you squint at it!
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I'm personally a church going guy, and i will be till i die. As one person on this thread put it "it's all an accident"...really?
The fact is, faith is not based on 'tangible' logic or scientific evidence...it's just that...faith.
But if you took the "its a big accident" logic...what reason is there to life? If there is no higher moral authority and purpose for being 'good'...why bother??
The next person you meet that you don't like, you might as well blow their head off...atleast according to that logic. Why??...why not?? If all that matters is THIS life and nothing else, you might as well do what you damn please. Ohhh wait...those people DO exist! Their known clinically as 'sociopaths'.
Act on your convictions if your to take that logic. Why don't you? Cause God's law was written into your heart and you hesitate when you think of such things, because you know its wrong.
Animals don't have any such inhibition. Case in point: A smart ass raccoon decided it was safe to check out the garbage outside my house at night with 'Timber' my hybrid Wolf/husky on the chain. Timber made quick work of the little bastard (though it was a nasty fight) and tore it's throat out. Thats kind off topic lol...just thought i'd brag while making a point!
The fact is, faith is not based on 'tangible' logic or scientific evidence...it's just that...faith.
But if you took the "its a big accident" logic...what reason is there to life? If there is no higher moral authority and purpose for being 'good'...why bother??
The next person you meet that you don't like, you might as well blow their head off...atleast according to that logic. Why??...why not?? If all that matters is THIS life and nothing else, you might as well do what you damn please. Ohhh wait...those people DO exist! Their known clinically as 'sociopaths'.
Act on your convictions if your to take that logic. Why don't you? Cause God's law was written into your heart and you hesitate when you think of such things, because you know its wrong.
Animals don't have any such inhibition. Case in point: A smart ass raccoon decided it was safe to check out the garbage outside my house at night with 'Timber' my hybrid Wolf/husky on the chain. Timber made quick work of the little bastard (though it was a nasty fight) and tore it's throat out. Thats kind off topic lol...just thought i'd brag while making a point!
Okay well obviously your a little misguided on the meaning behind the cross. Christ WILLINGLY died on the cross for us, thus the symbolic jewellery.KlinkKlank wrote:A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a farkin' cross? It's kind of like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on.
Bill Hicks
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What need is there for a 'reason' to exist? Doesn't it come down to personal choice again? Choosing to believe either in Divine Intervention or in an 'accident'?Redhand wrote: ...if you took the "its a big accident" logic...what reason is there to life? If there is no higher moral authority and purpose for being 'good'...why bother??
I subscribe to the notion that two heads are better than one, four better than two, and that at some point, you begin losing the benefit of association. But regardless, it's I think a 'common sense' approach, if you will, and always subject to reevaluation.Redhand wrote: The next person you meet that you don't like, you might as well blow their head off...atleast according to that logic. Why??...why not??
The key thing for me being to retain the ability to change my mind if my approach no longer works or is just plain wrong.
Not necessarily, I think it is entirely possible to dedicate one's life to helping others or to a relative abstract such as a 'mission', out of individual choice independent of faith. But you might rightly argue that it is because I choose to think that in human affairs, there are no absolutes.Redhand wrote: If all that matters is THIS life and nothing else, you might as well do what you damn please.

arrrrh. That would be me then. Well I never thought id be called a sociopath because I didn’t have faith, well you know I have been a little annoyed with the world lately, maybe I should repent before I go on a murderous rampage around my quiet little town.Redhand wrote:I'm personally a church going guy, and i will be till i die. As one person on this thread put it "it's all an accident"...really?

Ok sunshine listen to this very carefully, you don’t have to be a religious person to be a good person, you don’t need faith to do what is right, moral responsibility comes from growing up from a stupid kid into a man and taking responsibility for your actions, not from something "god" put into your heart.
Cheers frank you beat me to his post, so I don’t have anymore to add.
lew
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