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Can anyone on here honestly blame anybody for being apprehensive about standing up to 'thug like' behaviour when just this week one of the dominant stories has been how a man was killed for standing up to 2 guys who threw rubbish in his sisters car?

Most people on here will feel that we should all be standing up for ourselves and each other and I agree. But lest we forget that the majority of the people visiting this site are, or at least aspire to be, soldiers. So I am not really surprised with the majority of the responses on here. But if we were to ask a cross section of the British public whether they would stand up for themselves against more than one person displaying this sort of behaviour I would imagine that the answers would be completely different.

I personally would avoid any sort of confrontation (physical or otherwise) unless absolutely necessary for the reasons I have already stated; I don't want to get hurt, I don't want to hurt someone else and I don't want to get in trouble.

One of my favourite quotes - "An eye for an eye makes us all blind." - Muhatma Gandhi.

Afterthought:

Let's not go trashing the boys in blue, they all do a fantastic job in an ever more difficult environment. They don't control the fact that parliament make prosecuting anyone extremely difficult and if they were aloud to speak out about it I'm sure most would. They also share a lot in common with most of you guy wanting to become soldiers - want to make a difference, protect our freedom, uphold our liberties, etc.

But what me and AJ are trying to say is that you can't let them walk all over you. Otherwise you'll just keep getting targetted. Personally, if I had knobbers hanging around in front of my house I wouldn't be outside in front of the bastards shouting ''f@#k off before I smash yer heads in'' What I'd do is probably let a few rounds off with the airgun outside the window

Jamie

riflebutt wrote:But what me and AJ are trying to say is that you can't let them walk all over you. Otherwise you'll just keep getting targetted. Personally, if I had knobbers hanging around in front of my house I wouldn't be outside in front of the bastards shouting ''f@#k off before I smash yer heads in'' What I'd do is probably let a few rounds off with the airgun outside the window

Jamie

As soon as you do that tho your going to be prosecuted for discharging a firearm, and spend more time in jail than the guys trashing your house...strange world we live in isnt it

If there's 50 of them and only ten of you then the answers simple, get tooled up to f@#k, if you want to put them down quickly a nice big scaffy bar usually does the trick

Haha yeah Alfa, why not put on some webbing? Some army issue boots for the hard kicks into the meat and 2 veg and a helmet for some good old headbutting. Should take a smock aswell and do up the bottom lace so you can chuck a few bits and bobs or extra weapons down the insideof your smock if any of your primary weapons brake etc..

Jamie

Just stick a respirator on like him in "Dead Mans Shoes" - that looked scary as shiite.

On a serious note, use your head my friend. Only a few days ago a bloke round the corner from me got murdered on his doorstep by a few lads who were about 16 years old. It made the newspapers and brings up the long standing issue of how to tackle it - fight back and risk getting knifed? Or avoid at all costs and let them get away with intimidation?

Its ok to say lets fight back and show them they cant get away with it ala Outlaw, but you could be facing some serious legal issues, not to mention risking your life. It seems to me that people these days have too much pride and respect for themselves to let things go, and thats why so many people get knifed and shot. If you want a career in the forces, then any kind of violent conduct record against you is going to put pay to that idea.

Its different if its one person bullying another. But if its an enormous gang of lads, then you have to be dam careful. If possible, try to diffuse the situation using a 3rd party - peace is better than war any day. Just use your nugget and try and figure out the best course of action.

Designervision -

What have you and your mates actually done to make the other lads want to fight ?

Rich.

Precisely what rc said. Giff more details.

I wouldn't fancy most people's chances 10 on 50, unless like Alfa said, the 10 were seriously tooled up. So if you can't win the fight, you need another solution; tell us the actual problem, and we might be able to see something in it you have missed. I'm also interested to know why 50 people are in on this?

All great points lads, but the biggest problem of all is that the law doesn't protect the people in the right, and thats the victims. All of a sudden its too late, that person is in a serious condition in hospital or they're dead. Its happening constantly. Its because people are scared of the concequences if they do fight back.

When the law fails you, im sorry but you take it into your own hands. Who else is going to protect you and the ones you love?? No one! Im telling you, if communities got together and routed out these yobs and dragged them in line, there would be no problem what so ever. What can they do against an entire community that hates them and will fight back if they step out of line? Nothing!

They give up their 'rights' the second they cross that line and ruin someones life. You cant literally hold back on someone if they're more than willing to go out of their way to hurt you. Thats just insanity to me. I could never stand there and be punched and attacked by anyone, i was brought up better than that. Im not saying when the odds are stacked against you, dont leg it, obviously you have to be smart and pick and choose your battles. But when you backs against the wall, unleash it all.

AJtothemax wrote: But when you backs against the wall, unleash it all.

Did you just make that up or take it from somewhere, because thats a seriously cool saying.
Secondly, re your point about the victims getting in trouble. I am reminded about a post wrote on here or militaryforums about a guy in NZ who was working in his dads gun shop and he got attacked by some nutter high on meth anphetameines (spelling is wrong i know), so he shot him. Then he gets prosecuted for firing a fire arm he doesnt own... his sentence would have been longer than the guy who would have killed him... luckily he got off the charge. Sometimes common sense wins...sometimes...

Mr_Kiwi wrote:

AJtothemax wrote: But when you backs against the wall, unleash it all.

Did you just make that up or take it from somewhere, because thats a seriously cool saying.
Secondly, re your point about the victims getting in trouble. I am reminded about a post wrote on here or militaryforums about a guy in NZ who was working in his dads gun shop and he got attacked by some nutter high on meth anphetameines (spelling is wrong i know), so he shot him. Then he gets prosecuted for firing a fire arm he doesnt own... his sentence would have been longer than the guy who would have killed him... luckily he got off the charge. Sometimes common sense wins...sometimes...

Yeah i know but its the fear of fighting back that stops people. You cant gamble you life in someone elses hands, especially when their mindset is "im going to f*cking smash you!" - take control and act asap. I would rather have done that than let him decide what to do with me.

No mate i didn't take it from anywhere. It just came out when i was typing my thoughts thats all.

Sarastro wrote:I'm also interested to know why 50 people are in on this?

Good point.

To be fair mate chances are 50 of them arent gonna want to fight, your talking football hooligan gangs there, thing I'de do if my 9 mates were up for it would just be go all out and try n smash them all as fast as possible. Chances are when they feel a smack in the mouth 50% of them are going to decide they dont like gettin lumps anyway and will think twice about getting involved, if there 50 game lads then take a step back and think about it, most peoples views on this topic are right I reckon but I've been brought up to fight back regardless of who they are, how hard they are, what their repuatation is or who they know, go through life letting people sh*t on you then thats up to you, but do it once and you'll make acceptions again, try and stay as safe as possible obviously but hand out a few digs and guarantee a lot of them will change their minds, plus then they'll think twice about who theyre going to pick on again, like someone said theyre just human too, common sense says if it hurts you its going to hurt them.

take brows advice just play with yourslef and see what happens

Look at Martin in the Simpsons movie! A fine inspiration. A bit of 4 by 4 should do the trick. Just make sure there are no witnesses....

Thanks for the input.
Much appreciated.

Ok heres a little more information - I will try to make it followable.

My best mate is seriously tough - Kyle. He is 'unpopular' but no one in their right mind would dare say anything bad to him. He would not hesitate to stick up for himself in the slightest (for instance last year one guy tried his luck and my mate smashed his head into the table).
99% of the popular people don't like Kyle because they can't picl on him and get away with it. Pathetic really. They basicaly don't control everyone because of Kyle.

No, put that in the back of your mind, we'll get back to it.

My other mate Doug, who is new to school (homeschooled for 10 years) is a little different. As you can imagine, he doesn't know hoe people 'should' act at school. He does nothing wrong, but agin is different, and therefore is seen as an easy target.
There is a 'popular' guy called Blair who is deemed a 'pussy', 'whimp' etc by his mates, so he decides to prove he's not by picking on Doug.

We convince Doug that he should stand up for himself - why shouldn't he?

Last week Blair walked past Doug and pushed him again so Doug pushed him back and told him to leave him alone. Blair takes up the perfect opportunity to fight as there are plenty of people around to show he is not a pussy.

Strangely, my mate Doug wins! Everyone, Blair's friends and some teachers included applaud Doug and Blair walks off crying (bit of a backfire there).

So now, Blair has gone and complained to his big brother who is going to get Doug.
Kyle (remember him?), being Doug's friend aswell will surely stand up for him. Doug has no chance, but Kyle has a very good one.

Now if Kyle does stand up for Doug, this is all the 'popular' peoples excuse to get Kyle.
They know its cowardly, but they don't care. They are all going to run in and get Kyle so he can't get them back.

That is of course when we come in (we refuse to stand there and watch our mate get battered). We (being my other mates - maybe 15) will jump in for Kyle.

Just to recap
1)Blair picks on Doug, fights him and loses.
2)Blair gets his bro on Doug
3)Kyloe stands up for Doug
4)'popular' people get Kyle
5)We help Kyle

I can safely say there will be no knives or other weapons. NZ ain't *that* bad.

By the way, I learnt all this off a friend who is kind of friends with the 'popular' people. I know its all true.

Hope I made sense - what do you all think now?