Those WW2 Germans sure knew how to build a machinegun

[Wholley]

Tab,
Now where have we heard this before?
One-liner avoidance doo-hickey,thing a ma jig er wotsit
Wholley.

[Guest]

You ever fired an M1 Carbine? My dads a gunsmith and wanted to get it as a Christmas present for me...but it never turned out. How's it handle?

yes and a millions other guns "work in a gunshop for 15 years and own guns before" is a very light recoil rifle due mainly by the almost pistol round ballitics 110 grain ,30 caliber at 1,900 feet per second . a ak 47 is 30 caliber 124 grain at 2,400 feet per second a lot more punch. and range

[Redhand]

Consider yourself lucky with those gunlaws buddy. Gunsmith just got arrested up here.

Anyone who has not complied with Bill C-68 is now considered a felon.

[Wholley]

My opinion,
Stay with the SLR,7.62 NATO,
.308Winchester.As has been said before"Once hit target stays down"
The piddly little 5.56 AR-15 and its big sister the M-16A2 have proved to be ineffective time and time again even the Russians are re-thinking the AK-74 with it's light round that is smaller than the current NATO round.
High velocity seems to be taking preference over stopping power,
Bad move.I don't want a perfectly good shot to be affected by a blade of grass.
Wholley.

[harry hackedoff]

Spliffvortex?How I admire your abilitry to carry out web-based research, not.
Any air-cooled MMG reqs barrel changes after CONTINUOUSLY firing 200 plus number of rounds. That is what they are designed to do. Firing intermittent bursts allows the weapon to cool down. 200 rounds straight through any MMG and the barrel glows red-hot.On my own I can do barrel changes on the GPMG in under four seconds, which isn`t quick. With a number two, that time comes down to less than two seconds.There are two spare barrels in the SF kit.
Several years ago, Mrs Aitch and meself were on a driving tour of Florida. In Tampa we saw a sign"Machine Guns, For Hire" and we went in, just out of curiousity. It was an Alladdin`s cave of assault weaponry and we tried a few Most of the natives wanted to fire AKs or Dragonovs. Up on a shelf was a dusty GPMG, "I`d like to fire that weapon" says I. "We don`t fire that weapon, Sir, because the guy who knows how to clean it is off sick"
I said that I`d like to fire it, and I`d do him a deal. If it was clean, then I`d pay for the rounds and if it was dirty, he`d pay. Foolishly,he agreed, and placing the weapon on the counter began to strip it, carefully showing me how "clean" it was. Once he`d finished, I stuck me little finger up the sand tray and pulled out a load of black oil. "So it`s not clean then. Is it balanced?" Result was, I proffed four hundred rounds for five minutes instruction. Showed him how to balance the weapon, with me in the prone, then I moved on to kneeling and finally got the idiot to hold the bipod whilst I fired standing! Rapturous applause followed as my last six rounds took out each of the target legs

When Fabrique National designed the weapon, they started with the barrel from the Browning Automatic Rifle, they came up with a Browning-inspired gas action and coupled that with the feed system from the MG42. The result is a weapon which continues to give reliable service, is accurate and most importantly, is both bomb and idiot-proof. The SAW/Minimi is an attempt to address the GPMG`s biggest failing, it`s weight. Twenty six pounds is a lot of weapon to lug round and 200 link weighs twelve pounds. Stick four liners in your Bergan and it makes you very carefull with your route selection.
The M60 is a crock, even after recent re-mods.

On another note, Spliffvortex might be cool in Dade County Fla, but on here it isn`t. We don`t like drug related usernames one little bit. Change it or thin out.

[Tab]

Spliff, yes I know about the slot which should act as a saftey catch on a Sten Gun, but when you are charging about it would jump out of that slot.
Also it would go off even if you had not cocked it, if I had to carry one I would cock it and carry the magazine separately and only put it in the gun when I needed to fire it. I saw a chap from our unit hit with a Sten Gun at about 75 yards, and we dug the bullets out with a penknife as they had only just broken the skin. The Stirling was a vast improvement on the Sten
and that I was happy to carry.

[Redhand]

Oh, i think it should also be pointed out that the effectiveness of a weapon is mighty reliant on who's using that weapon.

[sneaky beaky]

Spliff Vortex,
If you can drill anybody from 70 to 100 yards with a Sten Gun/Stirling or Uzi, if it comes to that, you are a better man than I am Gungha Din.
The Sten/Stirling was only accurate to 30 yards. After that you were a bit lucky.
Also, would you please learn to either spell or type better and give us a chance to read, a little easier, what you are trying to say.
Sneaky

[Guest]

Spliff Vortex,
If you can drill anybody from 70 to 100 yards with a Sten Gun/Stirling or Uzi, if it comes to that, .
The Sten/Stirling was only accurate to 30 yards. After that you were a bit lucky.
Also, would you please learn to either spell or type better and give us a chance to read, a little easier, what you are trying to say.
Sneaky

... i have own shit loads of guns from a ruger 10/22 to a Valmet to a FN FAL another shit load of hanguns ,and boring shotguns. work in a gunshop for 15 years with a indoor range and a bunch of full auto subs ....not to mention "own guns way before i work there" plus all those many many full days in the everglades shooting all my toys yes my spelling can really suck penis "and more when im very sick + daze and confuse" if you dont think i cant hit you pass 30 yards with sten " im laughing while typing" the reason i post stuff from the website is = "IS EASY" IF you think all my know how about guns come from a website " i well laugh again" you can laugh about my spelling there i agree with you . i hate writing right at this moment im half a sleep " when i said drilling that means a grouping about the size of a old 33 vinyl record in a chest . i shot my 1911 at 100 yards into man size target "here the front sight must be right on top of the head and the 45 slugs wel hit the chest"" " 45 ACP miniature mortar shells " shit im going to bed.

[Redhand]

Spliff,

With no hint of mockery. You mentioned before your first language is Spanish.

First i would suggest you use paragraphs accompanied by more periods...see--->.

This would help me understand what you are trying to say. Also, there is no need to "quote" yourself in the context you are, it is incorrect use of english grammar.

Good luck in your debate with British vets...

[ratso]

The sten gun was one of the most useless pieces of equipment ever used by the British Forces.
By far the best was the Bren Gun. Knocked the socks off the Germans due to accuracy.

"The Bren Gun is spoken of with affection by every British soldier who ever used one, and with good reason. Beyond any doubt it was . . . the finest light machine gun ever adopted in quantity by any army. It was reliable, robust, simple and accurate, and beyond that no one has a right to ask." (Ian V Hogg, The Encyclopedia of Infantry Weapons of World War II, 1977) The Bren was ubiquitous in British and Commonwealth armies, used in rifle sections and in Universal (Bren gun) carriers.

[Guest]

The sten gun was one of the most useless pieces of equipment ever used by the British Forces.
By far the best was the Bren Gun. Knocked the socks off the Germans due to accuracy.

"The Bren Gun is spoken of with affection by every British soldier who ever used one, and with good reason. Beyond any doubt it was . . . the finest light machine gun ever adopted in quantity by any army. It was reliable, robust, simple and accurate, and beyond that no one has a right to ask." (Ian V Hogg, The Encyclopedia of Infantry Weapons of World War II, 1977) The Bren was ubiquitous in British and Commonwealth armies, used in rifle sections and in Universal (Bren gun) carriers.

i could say the same thing about the M-16 BUT both kill a whole lot of enemies. .... the bren was well made but a boat anchor for ww 2 standards and 303 british was inferior ballistic wise to the german 8 mm mauser .. and when a MG 34 OR MG 42 open up every body ran the bren gun owner just simply drop the gun since it was to heavy to run for your life with it. to carry the slight extra weight of a MG 34/42 Would had made more sense. THE american BAR was far better "much lighter" more range, the only drawback was the magazine carry 10 less rounds at 20 instead of the bren 30 and both bren and Bar were very expensive to built so they were never enough of them. in the case of the british it was a sten or a enfields who rule the battlefield.

[harry hackedoff]

On another note, Spliffvortex might be cool in Dade County Fla, but on here it isn`t. We don`t like drug related usernames one little bit. Change it or thin out.

Don`t ignore me, sunbeam.
Final warning. Change your username or you are gone.

[Guest]

On another note, Spliffvortex might be cool in Dade County Fla, but on here it isn`t. We don`t like drug related usernames one little bit. Change it or thin out.

Don`t ignore me, sunbeam.
Final warning. Change your username or you are gone.

here in america we respect all screen names unless is a very profane one thats not the case here, what i see i insulted the british with my bren gun coment "even tho i think the sten was a great little sub" i dont like warnings or threats from ANY moderator period much less when i did not do anything drastic. you want to kick me out thats fine with me "thank god i dont live in england " beside i think theres 3 people here who bother to post anything one less well make this place even better im sorry but i dont take any threats from anybody very well that even includes cops beside who wants to chat with a uncool british idiot like you........no wonder the british cant make any more decent music "lack of drugs" i never mention any drugs here exept now i did i could say more and leave here with a real bang but is not worth it. so go to your pub down some tea or beer from a Lucas fridge "prob warm" and the tea cold. and both are drugs. enjoy your gunless country

[Guest]

enjoy your gunless country

I think our american friend here has got too involved with the gung ho that is the US of A. Let me tell you something... Its not the kit that you have got; its how you use it, a concept the Yanks have not yet got your heads round. Look at us Brits; we have a seriously low Defence Budget, yet we are the best soldiers in the world, and don't dissagree with me here because you know im right.

People who are obsessed with firearms are really quite sad in my opinion. After all, what were firearms designed for? To kill people. And if your life revolves around them, i think you might want to consider seriously getting some psycotherapy. Soldiers are different; they have to be obsessed with their weapon drills, because they are the difference between living and dying in war.

no wonder the british cant make any more decent music "lack of drugs" i never mention any drugs here exept now i did i could say more and leave here with a real bang but is not worth it. so go to your pub down some tea or beer from a Lucas fridge "prob warm" and the tea cold. and both are drugs.

I think that really sums up your country. Well done. Look at Vietnam; you had shite soldiers, so you get high on drugs and get killed. GOD BLESS AMERICA

I think its best if you leave. The damage is done.

James