Stix, it`s supprising what you can`t see directly behind you, as it say`s on the arse end of some wagon`s,
" If You Can`t See My Mirrors, I Can`t See You"
no problem stix, any more??
you haven`t broken the Law until you`ve been caught!!
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Kat =^..^=
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I've heard that all speed camera's now have to be made visable? is that right? I know the one into Guzz have yellow stripes on it, I also heard that due to an EU ruling they can't hide the cameras either? you know like behind a tree or somemuch road side furniture, errrrm what else did I hear ... Oh that there isn't supposed to be signs warning you of cams unless there is a cam within so many yrds (I don't remember how many) anyone else heard any of these? or are the urban myths?
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the speed was 167mph..it takes the first photograph and your out of the way by the time it gets round to taking another one. It was on top gear i believe.
My first driving lesson..we where on our way to the business park and the instrutor was driving...arsehole got a speeding ticket and tried to blame me...did it balls as work the scanking get!
Cheers, davo
My first driving lesson..we where on our way to the business park and the instrutor was driving...arsehole got a speeding ticket and tried to blame me...did it balls as work the scanking get!
Cheers, davo
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Rotary Booty
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Instead of trying to 'Beat the Camera', or 'Destroy the Camera', or 'Get rid of the Camera', why don't drivers/riders just drive within the lawful speed limits? 
Then we wouldn't need cameras, police patrols, magistrates courts etc etc etc and it would save thousands of pounds. How many times do you hear someone wingeing on the radio and TV about 'Law abiding citizens' being caught by speed cameras. How can they be 'Law abiding citizens?' Are they so arrogant that they think they know better than the local authorities, the police, ambulance drivers etc where speed limits should be imposed, and enforced. 
It seems bizarre that tax payers have to spend even more money making the cameras 'visible' so that people breaking the law can avoid being caught! If that's the way it is, why don't we provide muggers with marked escape routes in case they are chased. Let's supply drug pushers with warning devices that indicate when they are under surveillance. How about giving door step burglars a realistic gas/electricity company uniform and ID so that they can really fool the pensioners they prey on. Why aren't there special 'getaway cars only' parking zones outside banks? 
I don't buy the claim that speed cameras are there just to make money. However, the fact that they make so much indicates the level of abuse, and can't be justified. Cameras are there to enforce the law, and if certain motorists are daft enough to still blast through, get flashed and have to pay a fine, wonderful!
What puzzles me though, is, how can they afford it, and if they really do have to get somewhere quicker than the rest of us, how will they achieve that when they don't have a driving licence?
Aye, Derek
Then we wouldn't need cameras, police patrols, magistrates courts etc etc etc and it would save thousands of pounds. How many times do you hear someone wingeing on the radio and TV about 'Law abiding citizens' being caught by speed cameras. How can they be 'Law abiding citizens?' Are they so arrogant that they think they know better than the local authorities, the police, ambulance drivers etc where speed limits should be imposed, and enforced. It seems bizarre that tax payers have to spend even more money making the cameras 'visible' so that people breaking the law can avoid being caught!
If that's the way it is, why don't we provide muggers with marked escape routes in case they are chased. Let's supply drug pushers with warning devices that indicate when they are under surveillance. How about giving door step burglars a realistic gas/electricity company uniform and ID so that they can really fool the pensioners they prey on. Why aren't there special 'getaway cars only' parking zones outside banks? I don't buy the claim that speed cameras are there just to make money. However, the fact that they make so much indicates the level of abuse, and can't be justified. Cameras are there to enforce the law, and if certain motorists are daft enough to still blast through, get flashed and have to pay a fine, wonderful!
What puzzles me though, is, how can they afford it, and if they really do have to get somewhere quicker than the rest of us, how will they achieve that when they don't have a driving licence?
Aye, Derek
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Having just gone up to six lashes on the licence I invested in a high priced zapper.
I like it and as long as you are not going like the speed of the wind they do give you fair warningk, although I wouldnt like to hear or rely on it on the motor bike version. What is interesting is discovering the cameras that are not switched, are empty boxes on or on timers
1. Although they say they must be visible I have spent weeks trying to find where one is in my area, I know its there becuse I can hear it but I cant see where the thing is. So trust nobody whos says they should be visible
2. The mobile lasers in cars are the ones that when they hit you you have aready been clocked but there is a gadget you hide in car that reverses the beam back to the cops and screws the reading - they don't like that seemingly. Mine gives 2km warning on static lasers and enough time to find where the gits are hiding. But the bottom line is you cant avoid the swine that creep up behind you when you are driving.
What is really interesting is that the mobile lasers ping streches of road in the weirdest places so its not just on motorways but in towns and villages so beware.
For some radar scanners work and for some they won't , my only advice is that if you are topping up the points check out on the internet and read the forums on these things, above all get the best you can afford.
Dolly
I like it and as long as you are not going like the speed of the wind they do give you fair warningk, although I wouldnt like to hear or rely on it on the motor bike version. What is interesting is discovering the cameras that are not switched, are empty boxes on or on timers
1. Although they say they must be visible I have spent weeks trying to find where one is in my area, I know its there becuse I can hear it but I cant see where the thing is. So trust nobody whos says they should be visible
2. The mobile lasers in cars are the ones that when they hit you you have aready been clocked but there is a gadget you hide in car that reverses the beam back to the cops and screws the reading - they don't like that seemingly. Mine gives 2km warning on static lasers and enough time to find where the gits are hiding. But the bottom line is you cant avoid the swine that creep up behind you when you are driving.
What is really interesting is that the mobile lasers ping streches of road in the weirdest places so its not just on motorways but in towns and villages so beware.
For some radar scanners work and for some they won't , my only advice is that if you are topping up the points check out on the internet and read the forums on these things, above all get the best you can afford.
Dolly
Cant speak about other regions but ALL the camera's in Cornwall are placed at collision cluster sites where we have had fatalities.
55 died in Cornwall last year alone. Been a Black Rat for about 8 years and since then Cornwall has lost about 300 plus, men, women and children.
On average we loose 3,500 lives in the UK EACH year.
Youngsters and small children are the hardest to deal with. Collisions cause the most traumatic injuries outside of h.e. explosions.
The sad thing is that everyone of them was avoidable.
And thats just fatalities. I dealt with someone not too long ago who was in a high speed prang and wasnt wearing a seatbelt. His dad explained he loved speed abnd if he wanted to go he would go out with a bang.
A pity then at 35 he is in a persistent vegatitive state and will remain so, possibly for decades. Yes he really enjoyed going fast!
55 died in Cornwall last year alone. Been a Black Rat for about 8 years and since then Cornwall has lost about 300 plus, men, women and children.
On average we loose 3,500 lives in the UK EACH year.
Youngsters and small children are the hardest to deal with. Collisions cause the most traumatic injuries outside of h.e. explosions.
The sad thing is that everyone of them was avoidable.
And thats just fatalities. I dealt with someone not too long ago who was in a high speed prang and wasnt wearing a seatbelt. His dad explained he loved speed abnd if he wanted to go he would go out with a bang.
A pity then at 35 he is in a persistent vegatitive state and will remain so, possibly for decades. Yes he really enjoyed going fast!
L/Cpl R.M. (Retd).
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Rotary Booty
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I hear what you say, but what they do at accident black spots is lower the speed limit, mark the road and post warning signs. The camera is then there to enforce the speed limit. However, the unofficial sign that always makes me think is at an accident black spot near us; a fresh bunch of flowers tied to the lampost, every year at the same time. There are still motorists caught speeding though, on a regular basis!
Perhaps if they'd had a camera there first, it wouldn't have become an accident black spot.
Aye, Derek
I hear what you say, but what they do at accident black spots is lower the speed limit, mark the road and post warning signs. The camera is then there to enforce the speed limit. However, the unofficial sign that always makes me think is at an accident black spot near us; a fresh bunch of flowers tied to the lampost, every year at the same time. There are still motorists caught speeding though, on a regular basis!
Perhaps if they'd had a camera there first, it wouldn't have become an accident black spot.
Aye, Derek
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Dolly
You really should use 'smilies' in your posts, as there are members of the forum who could think your post was serious.
I enjoyed reading it though, as it does reflect the incredible mentality of some drivers out there, who spend a fortune trying to outwit speed cameras etc, and who call policemen/women, like our own Black Rat and Jules B, 'gits' and 'swine'.
The person in your example obviously wasn't very successful in their attempts to exceed the speed limit and get away with it, and with 6 points already on their licence, they will, hopefully, soon be banned from driving.
I wonder if these radar scanners/zappers have to be declared on car insurance applications as a 'modification' to the car, as I'm sure the companies would take a dim view of insuring someone who had a device fitted that was designed for such a purpose. They definitely don't like a 6 pointer, and the increased insurance premium is such an un-necessary waste of money.
Nice one Dolly, it really was a good portrayal of what society is up against in the battle to make our roads safe.
Aye, Derek
You really should use 'smilies' in your posts, as there are members of the forum who could think your post was serious.
I enjoyed reading it though, as it does reflect the incredible mentality of some drivers out there, who spend a fortune trying to outwit speed cameras etc, and who call policemen/women, like our own Black Rat and Jules B, 'gits' and 'swine'.
The person in your example obviously wasn't very successful in their attempts to exceed the speed limit and get away with it, and with 6 points already on their licence, they will, hopefully, soon be banned from driving.
I wonder if these radar scanners/zappers have to be declared on car insurance applications as a 'modification' to the car, as I'm sure the companies would take a dim view of insuring someone who had a device fitted that was designed for such a purpose. They definitely don't like a 6 pointer, and the increased insurance premium is such an un-necessary waste of money.
Nice one Dolly, it really was a good portrayal of what society is up against in the battle to make our roads safe.
Aye, Derek
A thorny subject this one. I am Class 1 trained and enjoy speed, car and bike. I definitely do not speed in 30 or 40 zones or where I judge conditions to dictate a lower speed, but I am afraid that I do not agree with the national speed limit as a blanket limit. No allowance is made by cameras for the large variation in weather conditions, visibility or traffic density. On some occasions you could drive past one at 30 when 30 would be a dangerously high speed, alternatively you could pass one on a dual carriageway at 90, quite safely.
I now only do a 28 mile commute to work each day, to get to a rail station to get up into London, but even in that short distance I daily witness acts of driving stupidity that no camera will ever record. Road Traffic officers, in marked cars are, for me, still the best deterrent to not only speed but bad driving. Those same officers, usually keen drivers/bikers also have the discretion to judge your actions in the prevailing conditions and to issue a warning or guidance, discretion that cameras do not have.
Yes I am against speed cameras, happy with them at traffic light controlled junctions and in school safety zones but the proliferation on good dual carriageways and the A68 A1 to Edinburgh road, can only be a revenue raising ploy. I was always taught that good laws are respected by the majority of people and thus, the police have the backing of the public for their difficult job. So many people exceed our blanket limits that I have to feel that it isn't particularly good law and alienates the public.
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Barry
I now only do a 28 mile commute to work each day, to get to a rail station to get up into London, but even in that short distance I daily witness acts of driving stupidity that no camera will ever record. Road Traffic officers, in marked cars are, for me, still the best deterrent to not only speed but bad driving. Those same officers, usually keen drivers/bikers also have the discretion to judge your actions in the prevailing conditions and to issue a warning or guidance, discretion that cameras do not have.
Yes I am against speed cameras, happy with them at traffic light controlled junctions and in school safety zones but the proliferation on good dual carriageways and the A68 A1 to Edinburgh road, can only be a revenue raising ploy. I was always taught that good laws are respected by the majority of people and thus, the police have the backing of the public for their difficult job. So many people exceed our blanket limits that I have to feel that it isn't particularly good law and alienates the public.
Leaving soap box by numbers One, ( silent tup three) Two.
Barry
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I just watched that episode of Top Gear where they beat the speed camera. I got the car wrong I said it was a Aston Martin DB7 but it was actually TVR Tuscan it was going 170, still a top quality British car.Jason The Argonaut wrote:I think the car that beat the speed camera was a Aston Martin DB7, lovely car.
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Beating the speed camera...Top Gear settled this one, as mentioned, with a Tuscan, but basically you have to travel the 200m that speed cameras measure in under the time between the two flashes (v. quick)...though I thought they didn't actually manage to beat it, obviously that's just my memory. I think the new ones (Cyclops??) can't be beaten by any road-going speeder though.
Personally I hate speed cameras...I have only ever seen one well placed one, outside a busy nursery. All the other ones I have ever ever come across are blatantly placed to generate revenue (I live in Kent). I see marked blackspots (marked, that is, with a sign saying so many people died here in the last year, followed by a busy junction or dodgy corner) with no camera, and then a camera on a straight stretch of dual carriageway. Why?? Easy money. Cameras don't catch drunkards, dangerous drivers or car thieves...traffic cops do. But sh*t, you have to pay cops and they don's generate anywhere near as much money, so bo**ocks, put up a camera on a fast stretch of road.
You're right in saying all fixed cameras now have to be clearly visible and brightly coloured, not sure about mobile units. Also, I believe (due to MCN, I think) speed camera signs have to be displayed within 200m of the camera (if they're not, you can fight any charges brought as a result of the camera).
The best way to avoid them?? One wheeled antics are great...
Personally I hate speed cameras...I have only ever seen one well placed one, outside a busy nursery. All the other ones I have ever ever come across are blatantly placed to generate revenue (I live in Kent). I see marked blackspots (marked, that is, with a sign saying so many people died here in the last year, followed by a busy junction or dodgy corner) with no camera, and then a camera on a straight stretch of dual carriageway. Why?? Easy money. Cameras don't catch drunkards, dangerous drivers or car thieves...traffic cops do. But sh*t, you have to pay cops and they don's generate anywhere near as much money, so bo**ocks, put up a camera on a fast stretch of road.
You're right in saying all fixed cameras now have to be clearly visible and brightly coloured, not sure about mobile units. Also, I believe (due to MCN, I think) speed camera signs have to be displayed within 200m of the camera (if they're not, you can fight any charges brought as a result of the camera).
The best way to avoid them?? One wheeled antics are great...
