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Decline of this forum!!!!
Being a long retired member of the Parachute Regiment and a Moderator I will put my two pennies worth in. Now i may have retired many years ago but I have been invited back to the Regiment about seven times in the last ten years. I have handled all their latest weapons and fired many of them as well. Apart from this I have been a guest for a few days at No1 Parachute Training School at Brieze Norton. Now I may not be able to run a four minute mile like I used to be able to, but I think i still have a bit of insight on what is going on. So am I that much out of touch with what is going on
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Doc
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Not at all aimed at you E-R
Im just a tad hacked off with people failing to respect what they are joining.
You wouldnt walk into a bar full of locals and start gobbing off at all and acting like a know it all, and if you did you'd get your head ripped off. But we seem to be tolerating that behaviour here??? No Im not saying nobody is welcome, Im just saying if you choose to join "us" then get to know us and the feel of the place before gobbing off.
Standards have slipped, but when I peak at rum ration or arrse then I still feel that between here and MFAT we still offer a better service to those looking to join up, we are still more tolerant of planks asking bone questions and still offer a friendly service to mums and dads and the odd ginger girlfriend.
But there has to be a limit and I think that limit has been passed and had sand kicked in its face.
If people want the forums to become a place of idiots whinging and whining about the latest movie or what the best bergen to run with at 14 years of age is, and when told not to do it by people who have spent half their lives wearing bergens and then told to fark off, then crack on. Or fark off and set your own forums up and leave us to ours.
And I take the point on board about bone comments in reply to gen questions, mods start modding ffs
Doc
Im just a tad hacked off with people failing to respect what they are joining.
You wouldnt walk into a bar full of locals and start gobbing off at all and acting like a know it all, and if you did you'd get your head ripped off. But we seem to be tolerating that behaviour here??? No Im not saying nobody is welcome, Im just saying if you choose to join "us" then get to know us and the feel of the place before gobbing off.
Standards have slipped, but when I peak at rum ration or arrse then I still feel that between here and MFAT we still offer a better service to those looking to join up, we are still more tolerant of planks asking bone questions and still offer a friendly service to mums and dads and the odd ginger girlfriend.
But there has to be a limit and I think that limit has been passed and had sand kicked in its face.
If people want the forums to become a place of idiots whinging and whining about the latest movie or what the best bergen to run with at 14 years of age is, and when told not to do it by people who have spent half their lives wearing bergens and then told to fark off, then crack on. Or fark off and set your own forums up and leave us to ours.
And I take the point on board about bone comments in reply to gen questions, mods start modding ffs
Doc
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I have been on here since Sept 2006 and you can see just how many times I have posted, before that I use to just lurk and really enjoy the banter between the old and bold and the still serving members.
I am not against young people coming on here and asking questions after all that's how you learn and we should all try and encourage people with a interest In the forces to give It a go.
What does get me are the mongs who come on here with no idea, when a simple phone call or Google search would answer the more stupid questions. If they can't even manege that then they are probably not suited to forces life anyway.
Just a little bit more initiative and less laziness from the newer and younger members would be better.
I am not against young people coming on here and asking questions after all that's how you learn and we should all try and encourage people with a interest In the forces to give It a go.
What does get me are the mongs who come on here with no idea, when a simple phone call or Google search would answer the more stupid questions. If they can't even manege that then they are probably not suited to forces life anyway.
Just a little bit more initiative and less laziness from the newer and younger members would be better.
Q: How many country and western singers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: One to change it and nine to sing about how good the old one was
I still look in from time to time but in all honesty there's little that floats my boat or moves me to the point of replying. I suppose that's partly my fault as I can't remember the last time I started a post.
If you check out the 'once a marine' site then you can see what this place used to be like - in fact that was the site that I joined many moons ago and it was transferred to here. I never really got round to going back there but Derek, Rob, Mike, Yorkie, Barry, Black Rat, Si Capon, Andy O and many of the others that made this site what it was are over there now. It's a cracking site and has helped me find an old oppo recently but it's not for the non-bootneck or younger person just feeling his/her way through the application process. I look at this more because of familiarity and habit I suppose.
Those former members have been replaced (unfortunately, mostly by non-bootnecks ) by some good and interesting newer members. I think the main reason I don't look in as much as I did is that I'm busier at work and also the post count is really low. A-S, I read a lot of your stuff with interest and a chuckle even if I don't chip in and it would be a shame if you dropped off the scene.
I take responsibility for that as much as any member should but I won't be emerging from nowhere (ref H_N) with an ill tempered drip about how the site should be serving me. If I was that bothered I'd look to becoming a Mod myself but I don't have the time and appreciate the efforts of those that do. I'll still be looking in as usual and I have started my first post for ages in the Naafi as a token gesture.
All the best
Sully
A: One to change it and nine to sing about how good the old one was
I still look in from time to time but in all honesty there's little that floats my boat or moves me to the point of replying. I suppose that's partly my fault as I can't remember the last time I started a post.
If you check out the 'once a marine' site then you can see what this place used to be like - in fact that was the site that I joined many moons ago and it was transferred to here. I never really got round to going back there but Derek, Rob, Mike, Yorkie, Barry, Black Rat, Si Capon, Andy O and many of the others that made this site what it was are over there now. It's a cracking site and has helped me find an old oppo recently but it's not for the non-bootneck or younger person just feeling his/her way through the application process. I look at this more because of familiarity and habit I suppose.
Those former members have been replaced (unfortunately, mostly by non-bootnecks
) by some good and interesting newer members. I think the main reason I don't look in as much as I did is that I'm busier at work and also the post count is really low. A-S, I read a lot of your stuff with interest and a chuckle even if I don't chip in and it would be a shame if you dropped off the scene. I take responsibility for that as much as any member should but I won't be emerging from nowhere (ref H_N) with an ill tempered drip about how the site should be serving me. If I was that bothered I'd look to becoming a Mod myself but I don't have the time and appreciate the efforts of those that do. I'll still be looking in as usual and I have started my first post for ages in the Naafi as a token gesture.
All the best
Sully
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Like others, I’ve been in deep cover… 
Decided to drop out (teddies out of pram p’raps?) when the site got a little silly a few months back. But I kept a watching brief on the site and was tempted to add a comment once or twice from my hiddy-hole when some mong posts were added, but stopped myself just as my fingers hovered over the keyboard.
Truth is, looking back, some of MY posts were a bit mong and had no military content whatsoever (which I know got up Sneaky’s nose at least once!……). As long as they were posted in the right place (‘NAAFI’) then what was the problem….. ignore them…
I’ve been out of the army for over 6 years now…. I can’t JUST post/discuss/chew the fat on topics solely related to ‘the military machine’…. I just don’t have the day to day knowledge anymore and, these days, I’m a bit more flaccid when talking on subjects ‘green and warry’, so decided it was probably right to fall out anyway. We don’t ALL get out and continue working as a ‘mercenary’ or bodyguard.. some of us get out and get fekin ordinary jobs that ordinary people do….. (Doesn’t mean I’d resort to commenting on Top Gun mind you – never was a Kelly McGillis fan, she didn’t show enough muff in the film for my liking…..)
As Sully has hinted, this site may have been more ‘bootneck-centric’ in the past, but thankfully when guys (and gals) from other services wanted to join the gang they weren’t treated like turds in the swimming pool… But at the moment, I don’t know that the site knows what it wants to be anymore.......
An exclusive domain for only those who’ve got some years under their stable belts?
A site that only welcomes educated enquiries by ‘parents of’ or ‘partners of’?
I agree with Hands On that the ‘biff’ element of the new recruits are tiresome when they post questions that could be answered with the simplest of Google searches and these biffs should form part of the ‘chaff’ when the Mods do the ‘wheat from chaff’ sifting thang… But without encouraging comment from some of the guys that are wanting to join up, then this place will just wither and die… (as long as the ‘recruits’ can post something in simple English rather than something that needs to be deciphered then get your questions in……)
I confess that I became an arrse bandit while on my covert op…… and if you’re selective with the bits you read, that wasn’t a bad site, but the traffic was too heavy and you just couldn’t keep up with the number of posts… (and too many twonks needing the command ‘Watch and shoot…’)
This place is easier for me to keep up with (coz I’m busy at work and post on other forums). Quality not quantity… .. Unfortunately the ‘quality’ needs a bit of a rocket just now……
Anyway, that’s my two penn’orth used up….
Toodle pip….
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Decided to drop out (teddies out of pram p’raps?) when the site got a little silly a few months back. But I kept a watching brief on the site and was tempted to add a comment once or twice from my hiddy-hole when some mong posts were added, but stopped myself just as my fingers hovered over the keyboard.
Truth is, looking back, some of MY posts were a bit mong and had no military content whatsoever (which I know got up Sneaky’s nose at least once!……). As long as they were posted in the right place (‘NAAFI’) then what was the problem….. ignore them…
I’ve been out of the army for over 6 years now…. I can’t JUST post/discuss/chew the fat on topics solely related to ‘the military machine’…. I just don’t have the day to day knowledge anymore and, these days, I’m a bit more flaccid when talking on subjects ‘green and warry’, so decided it was probably right to fall out anyway. We don’t ALL get out and continue working as a ‘mercenary’ or bodyguard.. some of us get out and get fekin ordinary jobs that ordinary people do….. (Doesn’t mean I’d resort to commenting on Top Gun mind you – never was a Kelly McGillis fan, she didn’t show enough muff in the film for my liking…..)
As Sully has hinted, this site may have been more ‘bootneck-centric’ in the past, but thankfully when guys (and gals) from other services wanted to join the gang they weren’t treated like turds in the swimming pool… But at the moment, I don’t know that the site knows what it wants to be anymore.......
An exclusive domain for only those who’ve got some years under their stable belts?
A site that only welcomes educated enquiries by ‘parents of’ or ‘partners of’?
I agree with Hands On that the ‘biff’ element of the new recruits are tiresome when they post questions that could be answered with the simplest of Google searches and these biffs should form part of the ‘chaff’ when the Mods do the ‘wheat from chaff’ sifting thang… But without encouraging comment from some of the guys that are wanting to join up, then this place will just wither and die… (as long as the ‘recruits’ can post something in simple English rather than something that needs to be deciphered then get your questions in……)
I confess that I became an arrse bandit while on my covert op…… and if you’re selective with the bits you read, that wasn’t a bad site, but the traffic was too heavy and you just couldn’t keep up with the number of posts… (and too many twonks needing the command ‘Watch and shoot…’)
This place is easier for me to keep up with (coz I’m busy at work and post on other forums). Quality not quantity…
.. Unfortunately the ‘quality’ needs a bit of a rocket just now……Anyway, that’s my two penn’orth used up….
Toodle pip….
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Ok' now that I've calmed down somewhat I'll try to justify my post for those that have found it to be offensive, distasteful etc!
First point being: as alluded to by SportBilly, no comment was in no way directed at TAB, this was a generalisation which upon reflection was a poor choice! I have reaffirmed this point in person to Tab who I have nothing but respect for! We have crossed swords before and I believe we both respected each other afterwards! I have no animosity towards Tab whatsoever!!!
Right that done onto the points I do have!
Quality of posts; Whilst I appreciate that there are subjects other than the military, the name above the door says it all! Why can't non-related threads be restricted to the NAAFI where they are better suited?
Personal standards; We have members here for whom English is not their first or even second language yet still they present themselves in a way that should embarrass some of the younger and not so young here who insist in using text speak. Keep it for the Nokia!
Respect; Many of the members here are serving or have served! To ask advice then ridicule /insult the person providing it is unacceptable when that person speaks from an informed position! If you are unable to take constructive advice / criticism don't ask!
Respect; Just because a person is young /new etc is not enough reason to show them no respect! Let them dictate by their own conduct the tone of your response. Not given...Earned works both ways!
Search Function; It's there to assist! Trying searching before posting, those that have been members for a period of time will probably have answered the same question many times already and may run out of patience hearing it yet again! Chances are it's been asked and answered before and you don't have to be the one looking stupid! Somebody else has already taken the hit for you!
Thread and Cap Badge snobbery; Just because a post is in the Cooks and Bottle Washers threads or the CrabAir or AGC thread does it have any less value? If it doesn't interest yo personally why post just to slag it off because it's not Royal or Para Reg or RAF Regt etc.
Moderation;Mods must be Mods! The membership must be led by example with neither fear nor favor. Nobody ever claimed it was easy but it's vital to the survival of the forum!
Anyway I'm beginning to sound like an old woman so I'll stop before I flash again!
I'd just like this place to be like it was...somewhere I looked forward to visiting to talk with likeminded friends and every now and again have a laugh with mates!
Congrats to Doc on getting his stripes back, standby he's got a fresh mag on!
Hope it works out for the forum it would be a shame to see it go under or end up a Walt Haven!
Best Wishes
H_N
First point being: as alluded to by SportBilly, no comment was in no way directed at TAB, this was a generalisation which upon reflection was a poor choice! I have reaffirmed this point in person to Tab who I have nothing but respect for! We have crossed swords before and I believe we both respected each other afterwards! I have no animosity towards Tab whatsoever!!!
Right that done onto the points I do have!
Quality of posts; Whilst I appreciate that there are subjects other than the military, the name above the door says it all! Why can't non-related threads be restricted to the NAAFI where they are better suited?
Personal standards; We have members here for whom English is not their first or even second language yet still they present themselves in a way that should embarrass some of the younger and not so young here who insist in using text speak. Keep it for the Nokia!
Respect; Many of the members here are serving or have served! To ask advice then ridicule /insult the person providing it is unacceptable when that person speaks from an informed position! If you are unable to take constructive advice / criticism don't ask!
Respect; Just because a person is young /new etc is not enough reason to show them no respect! Let them dictate by their own conduct the tone of your response. Not given...Earned works both ways!
Search Function; It's there to assist! Trying searching before posting, those that have been members for a period of time will probably have answered the same question many times already and may run out of patience hearing it yet again! Chances are it's been asked and answered before and you don't have to be the one looking stupid! Somebody else has already taken the hit for you!
Thread and Cap Badge snobbery; Just because a post is in the Cooks and Bottle Washers threads or the CrabAir or AGC thread does it have any less value? If it doesn't interest yo personally why post just to slag it off because it's not Royal or Para Reg or RAF Regt etc.
Moderation;Mods must be Mods! The membership must be led by example with neither fear nor favor. Nobody ever claimed it was easy but it's vital to the survival of the forum!
Anyway I'm beginning to sound like an old woman so I'll stop before I flash again!
I'd just like this place to be like it was...somewhere I looked forward to visiting to talk with likeminded friends and every now and again have a laugh with mates!
Congrats to Doc on getting his stripes back, standby he's got a fresh mag on!
Hope it works out for the forum it would be a shame to see it go under or end up a Walt Haven!
Best Wishes
H_N
"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy."
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Paullie' The reason I chose to post in this area rather than the Suggestions to Improve was to maximise it's exposure to those who really needed to read it! The masses invariably wouldn't routinely read posts there where as Mods will and my intention wasn't just to slag off the Mods as you seem to think! You can't fix something unless you know it's broken and it is the same with behaviour, unless people are confronted they may not know they are doing something not in keeping with policy / manners etc. My comments re: Mods have obviously struck a nerve with you although I'm not sure why as I've always considered you to be amongst the better Mods when it came to fair play and I believe we've always got on well! Yes some Mods did in my opinion abuse their position and use it to their own ends and no I won't go naming individuals as I believe it would serve no purpose now.
As for the "whining noise" I take it you mean me? If you honestly believe that which I've posted is detrimental to the forum then please tell me and this whining noise will go away as requested as I have no desire to make the situation any worse than it is.
As for the "whining noise" I take it you mean me? If you honestly believe that which I've posted is detrimental to the forum then please tell me and this whining noise will go away as requested as I have no desire to make the situation any worse than it is.
"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy."
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I don't mean you specifically I actually meant AS who being a canuck is always whining about something eh! 
I think this could have been better dealt with in the Retreat and if no satisfaction was found there then is the time to air the dirty dhobi for all to see.
I will make one further point.
School's Out!!!!!!
As usual this will be another"Summer of Discontent"For those of us who have kicked around for a while and get mightily sick of seeing the same posts by different faces over and over ad nauseum.
I have found it's just part of the job mulling through forty or so posts a day time allowing.
I do attempt to delete the most obnoxious ones and the spam but I'm finding it increasingly difficult as recently I've had little or no back-up.
Don't sling your hook,stay and make things better.
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Paullie.
I think this could have been better dealt with in the Retreat and if no satisfaction was found there then is the time to air the dirty dhobi for all to see.
I will make one further point.
School's Out!!!!!!
As usual this will be another"Summer of Discontent"For those of us who have kicked around for a while and get mightily sick of seeing the same posts by different faces over and over ad nauseum.
I have found it's just part of the job mulling through forty or so posts a day time allowing.
I do attempt to delete the most obnoxious ones and the spam but I'm finding it increasingly difficult as recently I've had little or no back-up.
Don't sling your hook,stay and make things better.
Aye,
Paullie.
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I personally think that if something is of concern in the forums in should be voiced in an "all-area" part of the forums. All members have a say, just some are ignored. Now whatever this hostage women said in the first post I havent a clue, but I bet she means well, sorry who?
I think its stirred up some general feelings and good effort on Gaz for finally saying something.
I also note that some long term members who have lurked of late, without any problems in doing so from this callsign, have also inputed. Draw your own conclusions.
I enjoy this place and like any relationship it has its ups and downs. When its down we should say why, even if it only achieves a clearing of the throat and a moving on. Least an effort has been made.
As for Modding alone Wholley, I think your out of order there pal, ok some Mods do more than most, but effort is made.
Anyway lets now start building on the positives, wheres that 19 yr old fily got to and has she cracked pressups yet?
I think its stirred up some general feelings and good effort on Gaz for finally saying something.
I also note that some long term members who have lurked of late, without any problems in doing so from this callsign, have also inputed. Draw your own conclusions.
I enjoy this place and like any relationship it has its ups and downs. When its down we should say why, even if it only achieves a clearing of the throat and a moving on. Least an effort has been made.
As for Modding alone Wholley, I think your out of order there pal, ok some Mods do more than most, but effort is made.
Anyway lets now start building on the positives, wheres that 19 yr old fily got to and has she cracked pressups yet?
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OK, I'll bite.Wholley wrote:I don't mean you specifically I actually meant AS who being a canuck is always whining about something eh!
I'd rather be a small "c" Canuck, than a plastic Yank, y'all.
Whine? Me? Never!
Point about school being out is well put; however, HN's other comments still count IMO. There's an inordinate amount of dross and drivel posted on here. Funnies are one thing (posted in the right spot), as are items of general interest. But what seems to have gone is the "substance". There's nobs on here posting abject tripe, just trying to get a response. What's all that about. Bored? Trying to justify their sad existences? It's a mystery to me! We've all posted crap at one point or another (except perhaps for the odd anal-retentive type who are oh-so-serious all the time
).My problem is time. I have very little of it either to read or to post, these days. Plus I'm away a lot. So, when I do come on the forum and find it's clogged with flotsam, as much as I would like to pump the bilge, I have zero influence so I tend to thin out instead.
I sometimes wonder how many quality lurkers we have lost over the years who might have become full members if some cackling 'tard hadn't been busily upsetting the apple cart right in the middle of the market square! For sure there are many of the old and bold who seem to switched to become lurkers vice full mebers, probably for similar reasons.
