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Whitey,
Yes I did hear of it here,
New York Times op ed piece.
It caught my attention for about a second.
I don't know what those people up there are thinking.
I'd search NYT archives except I can not be bothered.
Maureen Dowd I think was the Author.
Need I say more? :lol:
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Just a remider we may not be the biggest or the best equipt but we are the best trained forces in the world. Ite if needs comes to must wf the argies were to invade agin we would wup you again! And how about attacks on your soverien state i.e argentinia like you did to ours. We could obliterate you but we're not out of order like you are! Sit down and shut up! were not what we were but we are more than capable of destroying your state if needs be! the falklands are ours and will remain ours forever more!
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jlitt,
Calm down,
As you were,
Stand easy,He dose'nt understand a word your saying.
If I were you I would just ignore him.
Just don't get reeled in.Why would the British want to destroy a state that is already fugged.
I'll bet he's read a book by Galtiari(sp)So don"t let him grind you down.
Just my opinion of course :drinking: :drinking:
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condor wrote:My Brits friends, let me make a simple example:
What will you do if a get into your house, kick you out, put my family in…You will try to talk to me trying to persuade me to give your house back…If I don’t hear you, you will call the “police” or the “judge”…If they can’t persuade me…you will finally use the force…But unfortunately I am stronger than you…So you go to the “judge” or the “police” again…but now they say that the people that lives inside the house is who decides…It doesn´t seems to be fare
Self-determinism is a wrong way...the kelpers are nothing more than “civil occupation forces”
Do you know that in the year 1967 or something your gov. accept to return the islands but a change of government in your country as well as a protest of the Kelpers ruin it…also after the WWII you present a list of colony to the UN that you were decided to return…that shows us that you are not capable to follow the rules of international organism that you lead
Look, only after the war the Kelpers were considered as British citizens, most of you didn´t know where they were before the war…and most of you still don´t know. Face it…for you now the islands represent something just because of the war
It is really true what Twenty one said about that we thought that you wouldn’t travel for 14000 miles to fight a war…also we thought that your dad (USA) would be neutral…
But you were wrong also thinking that the war was going to be a picnic…some one in this forum wrote that you won the war easily…I doubt it…may be he should ask that to the captains of the Sheffield, Ardent, Glasgow, Glamorgan, Antrim, Yarmouth, Antelope, Coventry, Broadsword, Sir Galahad, Sir Tristam(this ships for the ones who don´t know were sunk or seriously damaged), to the ones that were in the battle of Goose Green, or Mont Longdon or Tumbledown…without mention Woodward who in many occasions he thought that you were about to lose…
Look…changing the subject…I am still looking for someone who served in the HMS Sheffield, if it is no possible to find them, I will be honored to interview another person that served in other ship…also it would be great pilots or troops who where under air attack ( the web site is about the Argentine Air Force and I would like to write about how does the “enemy” feel about them)

If our subs were allowed we could of destroyed your navy
Dis i spell that right?
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Listen, at best, the kid (Condor) was in diapers at the time of the Falklands' war. So it's not surprising he got his 'information' from misguided adults and the biased books they recommended to try and show his generation they have cojones (I think those argies who had some are now dead, but hey, that's my opinion). He just flat out absolutely closed his mind to facts as they were and are to this day. Sad, pathetic, but there's a schmuck born every minute.

Moving on: about the US wanting Britain to return to the negotiating table, I gotta ask... Are we using the UN as a proxy? It looks like we are, using the 'decolonization' organs of the UN. If so, how hypocrytical...
It doesn't appear (once again) that the true interested party (the inhabitants of the Falklands ) will be given true representation if that's the case. I FERVENTLY hope your leadership will stand fast and retain the Falklands. They deserve better than what the argies and their patrons propose.
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Wholley,
I stay away from yankee propaganda papers. I figure if that is the case that America is playing the "give them back their land " speech then it is only because we are trying to keep the ralations good with them since I remember they have been giving us grief over oil. I say isolationism, funk oil, the fat asses here could use a walk. As for the UK folks, I wouldn't get to worked up about it, its just some islands, our territories/islands we piddle with cost us more than they are worth, I wouldn't cry if we let Peurto Rico and the other islands go. But we got the Monroe Doctrine and can't. All the same you guys kicked the Argies butt's and I can remember my dad back then watching the news and cheering the fact that the UK bitch slapped one of the USSR's buddies in our hemispere.

We medics/Corpsmen learned alot about burn treatments from that conflict, we have a chapter on burns that starts off with a story about how the brits treated burn victims from the ship missiles. You guys have some good medic's, witty guys.
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Frank S. wrote:Moving on: about the US wanting Britain to return to the negotiating table
Not sure about the US, Frank, but I bet my bottom dollar someone in Britain's corridors of power are talking to the Argentinians as I write.

Before the war the Brits were already in discussion with Argentina about some 'joint sovereignty/hand-over' arrangements. If Galteiri (sp?) hadn't jumped the gun my guess is the Falklanders would be learing Spanish now.

And not all Brits loved the Falklanders. During/after the war British troops referred to the Falklanders as 'Bennies' - Benny was a rather stupid character in a UK soap opera. An officer banned the men from using the term as it was demeaning. The troops began to call them 'Stills'.

Conversation:
"Corporal, I'm glad the men aren't calling the Falklanders Bennies any more. But why do they call them Stills?"

Answer: "Because they're still Bennies, sir" 8)
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Hmmmm....

http://www.mercopress.com/about.asp?TEM ... OMA=Ingles

[...] For oil, since September 1995, and after years of discussions a formal agreement which was endorsed during a meeting in New York of President Menem and Prime Minister John Major, has opened the field to cooperation and joint exploration and exploitation of the south Atlantic.

The agreement has enabled the government of the islands to licence areas for exploration to the north and south of the Falklands/Malvinas which successfully took place last July 2nd., while it sets aside a joint “special” area, to the west where the areas with Argentina overlap and will be jointly managed.

The discussions over the legal framework for the licencing of the joint or “special” area, which is scheduled for next year are going ahead full steam.

The oil licencing round of the local government was preceded by the contracting of several seismic surveys done by Geco-Prakla and Spectrum Geophysical which revealed promising data. A total of six consortia, representing fourteen oil companies showed up on the closing day of the licencing, among which: British Gas with YPF; LASMO, which includes Desire a local Falklands/Malvinas partner; Amarada Hess with Evergreen; International Petroleum Corporation with the Swedish company Sands Petroleum. The fact all companies participated in consortia is because of the high cost of the drilling in this new province which is estimated between 10 and 15 million pounds for each well.
Illustrative project returns and revenue shares for a 500 million barrel offshore oilfield assuming exploration and appraisal costs of $50 million, $5 per barrel development costs including capital and drilling expenditure, an $18 per barrel oil price, start of production in year 8 of the project and peak production of 135,000 barrels per day four years later. [...]

And then there's this, from 2001:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1399973.stm

[...] The Argentine Senate has approved a new law that will fix its currency to the euro as well as to the dollar.
After a six hour debate, the lawmakers approved the bill - known as the Convertibility II - into law, effectively establishing a new exchange rate for the entire economy.

The idea is sponsored by Economy Minister Domingo Cavallo, as he struggles to shield his economy from exposure to the US and stabilise the peso.

One peso is now fixed at one dollar and will become fixed to one euro, as soon as the euro rises to parity with the dollar.

When the euro then rises or falls against the dollar, the peso will be set at the mid value between the two currencies. [...]

With talks of oil and euros, all it takes is a spark.
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QED

Thanks for the detail, Frank.
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Whitey,
Staying away from the Yankee press doe's us no good.The New York Times is the leader of the liberal press.ABCNBCCBS often wait the see what the NYT has to say before they editorialise.I read it online just to see what the enemy is up too.Mind you, their keeping their heads down right now,after the Jayson Blair debacle.Blair??Where on this forum have I heard that name before? :D :D
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Frank,
Ihave one question for you regarding the Argentine Senates vote on the EU.As Argentina is not a member of the European Community how can it peg it's worthless Peso to the Euro Dollar?Or did I miss something?
Has been known,apparrently I missed a really good badmouthing by someone else on another thread :o :o
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Wholley, let's use the Bretton-Woods system as a starting point. What the system did was to connect various European currencies to the US dollar, this is back in the late fifties and I think started failing in the early seventies... Someone better at economics will correct me hopefully where I'm wrong...
The Bretton-Woods system was designed to allow one point fluctuation of designated values, which is known as the 'pegged-rate' and relied in part on the gold-backing of the US dollar. The Euro is the currency used in twelve countries by about 300 million people (and bear in mind more countries are lined up to join the EU). This is enough to make it the second reserve currency on the world's financial market, although I don't think it quite approaches the US$ in terms of gold-backing.

So if you look at the two currencies as you would look at two banking institutions, you might say the US$ has a long history and is accepted all over the world in addition to solid gold backing. But it's been running at a loss for years now and US debt is about 1.5 trillion. The Euro is a net creditor making profits.

Ergo, some countries hedge their bets between the two: the established US$ (although it appears weaker of late) and the new kid on the block, the Euro (which still has to prove itself).

That's what's behind Argentina's move... Thing is, Iraq did that as well in 1998-1999 and look what that got him....
Burma's switching too. Let's see what happens there next....

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Frank,
I know a little about the Bretton-Woods system.
It was also picked up by some Eastern Carribean Countries.
Notably,Jamaica,Antigua,Dominica,Monsseratt and Barbados whose currency was failing.Their currency back when I was there was the Eastern Carribean Dollar and the exchange rate was $100US to $260EC.
Can't help but notice that those islands are all ex British colonies exept Monsseratt which still is,but does not accept the British Pound Sterling.
Hope we're not going to invade them too :o
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