El Prez wrote: Whitey it's called control. Self control. These men may be young but they are disciplined. Their training is orientated towards crowd control without unnecessary loss of life.
The Molotov is difficult to spot by day, obviously easier to avoid by night.
I don't see how being cooked alive has anything to do with discipline.
There was a joint exercise in the 80's where SAS and Delta teams were lead to believe that a hostage situation had developed and the teams individually deployed to the "location" to free the hostages. After the exercise two questions became apparent, for the British, How to get SAS to shoot and for the Americans how to get Delta not to shoot.
I think the above is inductive of our countries military philosophies.
Someone throws a Molotov cocktail at me; they're going home in a body bag. I think its crazy you're troops didn't light the place up.
I’m sure many of you will disagree.
First to Fire!!!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
If we shoot at them it will cause a chain reaction, then more british soldiers will be injured or even dead, that is why the americans have lost so many of their guys because they are too trigger happy. Plus years of Riot control in N.I has taught our guys alot.
Well if we follow some peoples line of thought we should be over in America shooting every one that provided money for the IRA, and that would include Senator Edward Kendey. Lets face they have support many of terrorist that have killed people that have disagreed with.
Ofcourse there is the point that when you're burning alive you're not going to stop, raise you weapon, look for a target and then shoot; you're going to put yourself out, it's not just common sense it's instinct. I'm sure his mates would have been too busy helping him aswell than trying to find a target that probably has ran off into the desert. Like others have said, taking a calmer approach will save on British lives later on.
"This far and no further" - Britain, World War 1 & 2
In 1942 Reinhard Heidrich the German Reichsprotektor of Bohemia and Moravia was assinated by two Czech parachutists, a period know as the "Heydrichiada" began, thus eliminating resistance in Czechoslovakia for the remainder of the war.
Maybe if the coalition was a little more serious about victory we wouldn't be having molotov cocktails lobbed at us?
First to Fire!!!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
USARMY_ wrote:In 1942 Reinhard Heidrich the German Reichsprotektor of Bohemia and Moravia was assinated by two Czech parachutists, a period know as the "Heydrichiada" began, thus eliminating resistance in Czechoslovakia for the remainder of the war.
Maybe if the coalition was a little more serious about victory we wouldn't be having molotov cocktails lobbed at us?
Yes and if I remeber it correct the German solution was quite hard nosed and would have led to victory had other forces not intervened. I believe a SS division surrounded a town named "Lotz" or something like that and just eliminated the town from the map. Trust me that would win the war in Iraq a systamtic elimination of ones enemies or the friends and people of ones enemies. However in our modern world such things are unacceptable mass murder works but at the same time it doesn't.
The thing with those throwing Molotov Cocktails is that you can't open up on the crowd just those individuals. And who's stupid enough to stand in the front of a company of pissed off troops and do that, no they hide in the back and throw them. Also unlike the Izzies we don't shoot rock throwers.
Burning like that would suck but what can you do?
If a man has nothing he is willing to die for then he isn't fit to live.
Conan, what is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.
I figure lining folks against walls is in order, burn a few towns, leave their women crying in the sand. Or we might as well pack it up and come home. US Army you are getting smart, I like that.
Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons were I to make a whore of my soul. (Thomas Paine)
Whitey wrote:Conan, what is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the women.
Amen to that.
Good movie he says like 10 lines the whole show.
The only victory is total victory, you just got to say before you begin "May god have mercy on them, because I won't then you go to war."
None of this lets shoot you and be friends crap it doesn't work.
If a man has nothing he is willing to die for then he isn't fit to live.
Well that Chimp who run's the UN thinks otherwise and has infected the West with that field politic's rabble.
I agree, if you are going to get it on, then get it on. "Hang the papers, it will be forgotten in the morning." Who here remembers the extermination of the North American Indians?
Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons were I to make a whore of my soul. (Thomas Paine)
Well I don't "remember" it per se, but I am aware that it happened. But don't kid yourself those Red fellas killied a whole bunch of white folks before it was over. Now they run the worlds finest casino/cigarette stands!
Hey whitey, I saw on The Oreilly Factor last night that in 50 years whites in America will be in the minority. Does this mean we can finally blame someone else for all our problems. I think we should demand reperations for all the money slaves took away from poor white sharcroppers!
First to Fire!!!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Hey man the Wagon Burners and Blanket Asses only attacked us when our "Setlers" started hoisting houses on their land. I'm glad they have Casino's though, for so long lots of indians were just given a few hundred bucks a month and placed on a crappy plot of land where they became drunks. The Casino bit really got them on their feet. Most blacks I know don't want reperations nor repatriation, I think they have done better for themselves than the Indians over all.
Back to making examples, we in the US were awsome at it in the day. Sherman torched southern cities and destroyed food stocks along with a few volleys into select groups to make and example of what was to come if the southerons didn't obey. The same was done to the Indians, we tried to do it in Vietnam, but example killing was no longer allowed, we burned their stuff and food, and then they'd just get more pissed. Get the media out and I et this war would be over in 1.5 years.
Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons were I to make a whore of my soul. (Thomas Paine)
[quote="Space Cadet"]to back up what 9mm said, bloody sunday in NI, when the 1st battalion of the parachute regiment opened fire on a mob of protesters.
The outcome of this event wasnt positive on the british army...
this is one of the reasons the army is reluctant to fire on mobs.. because of what they learnt on this day.[/quote]
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