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Jason The Argonaut
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BNP, you know when things are bad when you end up voting for this lot, instead of the three main parties.
I Hate Labour with a passion and don't feel that Lib Dem or Conservative have what it takes at the moment. But I must say that Mr Howard is looking a much better leader than his predecessor.
I Hate Labour with a passion and don't feel that Lib Dem or Conservative have what it takes at the moment. But I must say that Mr Howard is looking a much better leader than his predecessor.
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- old scaly back
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BNP for the same reasons as Spannerman.
I feel im a third class citizen in my own country.
1, immigrant
2, criminal
3, me.
Also fed up of the pc brigade.Why cant we say what we like anymore.O,you might upset the so and so's.
At this point i usually say im not a racist,but im afraid i dont know what i am anymore.
I feel im a third class citizen in my own country.
1, immigrant
2, criminal
3, me.
Also fed up of the pc brigade.Why cant we say what we like anymore.O,you might upset the so and so's.
At this point i usually say im not a racist,but im afraid i dont know what i am anymore.
I used to be in the SASS (Saturday and Sunday Soldier)
Ill be voting conservative...
lew
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tabTab wrote:In my humble opinion you have a choice between a bunch of crook or a bunch of thieves, so to stir the pot I would choose a BNP candidate to make the others sit up and listen for a change.
I've got to admit I've been tempted to do the same. But, at the end of the day, if everyone else thought like I did, what might we end up with?
Nothing I would want. And I reckoned it's no defence to say, 'well, I was only making a protest vote. I never really thougth they'd get in'
Oh, my head hurts.
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Lew, the BNP would be fantastic for the military. They want to maintain defence spending (if only because military and ex-military seem to be major sources of support for them), while they want to completely cease humanitarian and peacekeeping. So while everyone else seems set to cut defence, the BNP would maintain it while considerably reducing the pressure on the forces.
However I would never vote for the BNP on principle; they're even worse than the Conservatives when it comes to shouting loudly but shying away from actively pressing for their own policies. Many people go on about how the BNP would stand up for British interests (which may be true), but no-one seems ever to comment on specific policies. I support their more general socialist ideals and have many favourable ideas; my biggest problem is that this is at the expense of the rest of the world to an unaccpetable degree. While domestically equal opportunities is the key, this would be funded by eliminating foreign aid, calling a halt on peacekeeping operations, and reducing global business with the UK, all of which I disagree with strongly. All in all, nice theories but far to nationalistic for my liking. If you're interested (and not trying to sound impolite, but if you plan on voting BNP you should be), their main policy principles are listed here; http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies.html .
The idea of voting for the BNP in order to scare the usual parties is a viable one which has worked, but I'm loathe to do it on the basis that it's simply too dangerous if they did come close to winning, the French were thought perhaps to have put great support for Le Penne on this basis, and as a result he got worryingly close to government.
As much as I hate to say it, right now I'm a Conservative voter. I've said many things about them in the past, but British politics has got to the point where it's simply a case of not hating them quite as much as I hate everyone else
. Michael Howard seems a great step down form Blair, as he's less trustworthy, has a much more dubious past and I doubt he has the diplomatic ability of Blair (Blair is actually one of my favorite things about Labour, please don't kill me), though at least he has got plenty of teeth. The Liberal Democrats with their anti-monarchy stance and to a lesser extent their pro-EU ideas are completely out, shame really as otherwise I'd vote for them.
With the Conservatives, I'm hoping that if their economic policies are as bad as I think they are, we can be certain they'll be happy to go against their promises and instigate something more sensible, after all, they have amply demonstrated their ability to lie
. I'm hopeful they will also demonstrate some degree of conservative values as well, for instance not mutilating long standing British institutions (did anyone else see the Lord Chancellors supposed replacement talk utter rubbish on newsnight earlier about House of Lords reform?), and maybe even telling the EU to sod off. We'll see though
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However I would never vote for the BNP on principle; they're even worse than the Conservatives when it comes to shouting loudly but shying away from actively pressing for their own policies. Many people go on about how the BNP would stand up for British interests (which may be true), but no-one seems ever to comment on specific policies. I support their more general socialist ideals and have many favourable ideas; my biggest problem is that this is at the expense of the rest of the world to an unaccpetable degree. While domestically equal opportunities is the key, this would be funded by eliminating foreign aid, calling a halt on peacekeeping operations, and reducing global business with the UK, all of which I disagree with strongly. All in all, nice theories but far to nationalistic for my liking. If you're interested (and not trying to sound impolite, but if you plan on voting BNP you should be), their main policy principles are listed here; http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies.html .
The idea of voting for the BNP in order to scare the usual parties is a viable one which has worked, but I'm loathe to do it on the basis that it's simply too dangerous if they did come close to winning, the French were thought perhaps to have put great support for Le Penne on this basis, and as a result he got worryingly close to government.
As much as I hate to say it, right now I'm a Conservative voter. I've said many things about them in the past, but British politics has got to the point where it's simply a case of not hating them quite as much as I hate everyone else
With the Conservatives, I'm hoping that if their economic policies are as bad as I think they are, we can be certain they'll be happy to go against their promises and instigate something more sensible, after all, they have amply demonstrated their ability to lie
Fluffy bunnies - Grrrrr!
Why would anybody want to vote for the BNP? We spent 6 years removing a racist thug from power back in the 30s and 40s so why would you want one here? Im not calling the BNP a bunch of Nazis, but they are built upon racist ideas, even though they deny it and say they are a new party. Rubbish!
Just like Hitler, they offer empty promises at a time of desperation and are only a last resort. The make profit from social instability and widespread discrimination and racism. If this country becomes nationalist, it will be a nightmare for our future politically, internationally, socially and economically. (read 1984?)
Just like Hitler, they offer empty promises at a time of desperation and are only a last resort. The make profit from social instability and widespread discrimination and racism. If this country becomes nationalist, it will be a nightmare for our future politically, internationally, socially and economically. (read 1984?)
The Best Is Yet To Come
[quote voodoo sprout] Lew, the BNP would be fantastic for the military. They want to maintain defence spending (if only because military and ex-military seem to be major sources of support for them), while they want to completely cease humanitarian and peacekeeping. So while everyone else seems set to cut defence, the BNP would maintain it while considerably reducing the pressure on the forces.
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This side of things is true, but what would they use us for??? You could bet that everytime something happened they would put squaddies in the streets trying to intimidate the public...
Jon is right, no one should ever vote them in, they are to dangerous, and would screw this country for decades to come... look at germany...
lew
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This side of things is true, but what would they use us for??? You could bet that everytime something happened they would put squaddies in the streets trying to intimidate the public...
Jon is right, no one should ever vote them in, they are to dangerous, and would screw this country for decades to come... look at germany...
lew
All I want in life is a cold beer, a fast car, a big F**King gun and a hot woman to fetch the beer, and clean the car! is that really to much to ask? - Quotes by a redneck.com
recruit test 21 march - PASSED
medical 30 march - PASSED
interview 30 march - PASSED
PJFT - 11 april - PASSED 9:18
PRMC - 7th - 10th JUNE. PASSED
foundation - 29th August
recruit test 21 march - PASSED
medical 30 march - PASSED
interview 30 march - PASSED
PJFT - 11 april - PASSED 9:18
PRMC - 7th - 10th JUNE. PASSED
foundation - 29th August
Nationalists are like OBL. They both want a country that is free from outside intervention and foreign influence. However, their ideas also stem from similar beliefs. The nationalists believe that Britain is the one true nation (the ayrans if you like) and that other countries are inferior. OBL believes that Muslims are the true race and that the infidels are inferior.
Thier supporters are also alike. The BNP gains support from a desperate people, who have lost faith in thier current government leadership. AQ gains support from a desperate people who have lost faith in thier undemocratic leaders.
The way forward for mankind is through good relationships with each other. Otherwise the only product is prejudice, competition and eventually war. You could argue that we have to share the same Island therefore we should work seperatly and independantly. But in the end we all share the same planet, therefore we should all work together to build a better future. Nationalisation will just create an enclosure in which we will be 'quarenteed' from the problems of the world. But that will be negative for the world as a whole and our future generations will then have to deal with the problems that we would ignore. Just imagine, if we were nationalist during WW2, Hitler would have been free to capture most of the world as thier would have been no launching pad for D-Day, and then who says that we wouldnt have been conquered?
Thier supporters are also alike. The BNP gains support from a desperate people, who have lost faith in thier current government leadership. AQ gains support from a desperate people who have lost faith in thier undemocratic leaders.
The way forward for mankind is through good relationships with each other. Otherwise the only product is prejudice, competition and eventually war. You could argue that we have to share the same Island therefore we should work seperatly and independantly. But in the end we all share the same planet, therefore we should all work together to build a better future. Nationalisation will just create an enclosure in which we will be 'quarenteed' from the problems of the world. But that will be negative for the world as a whole and our future generations will then have to deal with the problems that we would ignore. Just imagine, if we were nationalist during WW2, Hitler would have been free to capture most of the world as thier would have been no launching pad for D-Day, and then who says that we wouldnt have been conquered?
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- old scaly back
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Jon you used the Royal we when you said that we spent six years trying to get rid of one dictator, may I ask in what service you fought in????
Also Jon I do not look down upon other faiths or colours as inferior people, but i expect them to to try and mix in with our culture. I can remember in the days of Empire when mobs would go around the streets shouting white man go home while killing any white people they found. There excuse for this was that many of the white people did not make any effort to understand their way of life even if that family had lived and worked there for hundreds of years. Yet they come over here and do the self same thing and complain when people object to their customs. They don't want to learn the language, they don't want their family members to marry outside there religion, or to have to much to do with the locals. Integration is a two street and forming there own ghettos is not the way forward.
I had an argument some time ago when the Liberals where pressing for change in our voting system, where MP's would get elected on the number of votes cast for the party rather than for a candidate. I pointed out to the chap that it might be BNP that had the balance of power rather than the Liberals party. To which he replied oh no it wouldn't because we would ban them for standing. I asked the chap what would happen if the Labour Party and the Conservatives got together and banned his party, for if one can get banned so can another, which left him calling me an effing anarchist. Well he could be right.
Also Jon I do not look down upon other faiths or colours as inferior people, but i expect them to to try and mix in with our culture. I can remember in the days of Empire when mobs would go around the streets shouting white man go home while killing any white people they found. There excuse for this was that many of the white people did not make any effort to understand their way of life even if that family had lived and worked there for hundreds of years. Yet they come over here and do the self same thing and complain when people object to their customs. They don't want to learn the language, they don't want their family members to marry outside there religion, or to have to much to do with the locals. Integration is a two street and forming there own ghettos is not the way forward.
I had an argument some time ago when the Liberals where pressing for change in our voting system, where MP's would get elected on the number of votes cast for the party rather than for a candidate. I pointed out to the chap that it might be BNP that had the balance of power rather than the Liberals party. To which he replied oh no it wouldn't because we would ban them for standing. I asked the chap what would happen if the Labour Party and the Conservatives got together and banned his party, for if one can get banned so can another, which left him calling me an effing anarchist. Well he could be right.
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