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A number of people on this thread have stated that a bolt action can't be operated that quickly. Well as an old rifleman who was trained on the .303
I can assure it can and by most of soldiers of my day. The .303 was that accurate over a few hundred yards you would still be using your battle sights for at range the bullet would still be on a flat trajectory and would be affected by the wind either unless there was a force 10 gale then it would only move a fraction of an inch in a couple of hundred yards.
Do I think that there was a conspiracy by the American Government Officials to kill Kennedy the answer is No. Do I think that the theory is making some people a lot of money for books and film scripts yes I do.
Do i think that the American Government could keep a secret of that magnitude, no I don't, the American Government is such that they find it very hard to keep any thing secret.
I can assure it can and by most of soldiers of my day. The .303 was that accurate over a few hundred yards you would still be using your battle sights for at range the bullet would still be on a flat trajectory and would be affected by the wind either unless there was a force 10 gale then it would only move a fraction of an inch in a couple of hundred yards.
Do I think that there was a conspiracy by the American Government Officials to kill Kennedy the answer is No. Do I think that the theory is making some people a lot of money for books and film scripts yes I do.
Do i think that the American Government could keep a secret of that magnitude, no I don't, the American Government is such that they find it very hard to keep any thing secret.
Tab,
See I told you that Kennedy killed himself. He had it done, his goal was always to be remembered. So I figure he had it done and Oswald was a shooter alright, he was just the loud mouth so Jack nailed him. This is why the truth ain't never come out. He bragged to Monroe about it too so she was taken care of see. His favorite poem, Rendevous with Death. He set it up.Or maybe his old lady had him bumped off for bumping uglies with Monroe. Notice she married Onasis shortly after. Or maybe it was a body double, and he is in San Fransisco at the Village People museum?
Could Saddam Hussein been involved? Or how about some pissed off Jap Captian who's boat was torpedoed by JFK?
Really though maybe it was a suicide type thing.
See I told you that Kennedy killed himself. He had it done, his goal was always to be remembered. So I figure he had it done and Oswald was a shooter alright, he was just the loud mouth so Jack nailed him. This is why the truth ain't never come out. He bragged to Monroe about it too so she was taken care of see. His favorite poem, Rendevous with Death. He set it up.Or maybe his old lady had him bumped off for bumping uglies with Monroe. Notice she married Onasis shortly after. Or maybe it was a body double, and he is in San Fransisco at the Village People museum?
Could Saddam Hussein been involved? Or how about some pissed off Jap Captian who's boat was torpedoed by JFK?
Really though maybe it was a suicide type thing.
Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons were I to make a whore of my soul. (Thomas Paine)
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Wholley
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Tab,
you are correct of course.
The British .303 round was extremely accurate.As we have debated before,the .303 was dropped because of US intervention regarding the standard UN round.7.62 would have been my choice but 5.56?Too small to be effective imho.Whitey and I were talking about this recently.
There is a Lee Enfield carbine available in this country,stock and barrel shortened a little but still a remarkable rifle.Flat shooting round with a high enough velocity that windage is not a major problem.
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Wholley.
you are correct of course.
The British .303 round was extremely accurate.As we have debated before,the .303 was dropped because of US intervention regarding the standard UN round.7.62 would have been my choice but 5.56?Too small to be effective imho.Whitey and I were talking about this recently.
There is a Lee Enfield carbine available in this country,stock and barrel shortened a little but still a remarkable rifle.Flat shooting round with a high enough velocity that windage is not a major problem.
Deer Season starts Monday.
Yum,Yum.
Wholley.
I really think Oswald wasn't in on the deal. He was arrested too quick, he doesn't seem capable of the planning this would have taken. I don't think there is some elaborate scheme behind all of this, but I really don't buy that Oswald was involved let alone the trigger man. What did Oswald say in his 2 days of interrogation I wonder? He had to say something. He just looked to confident, lke he held a secret of the Universe and was about to tell the world, then Ruby shot him, and we will never know. Maybe Oswald knew something? But I don't think he ever fired a shot.
Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons were I to make a whore of my soul. (Thomas Paine)
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Lee Harvey Oswald
I reckon he was acting alone, he got his 15 minutes worth of fame. OK Conspiracy or not, he was married to a Rusky of sorts, he was a Commie, he supported Castro in the Cuban Missile Crisis era.
None of us in our lifetime will never know the full facts so make of it what you will, the event happened, JFK is dead, anything more is supposition.
I reckon he was acting alone, he got his 15 minutes worth of fame. OK Conspiracy or not, he was married to a Rusky of sorts, he was a Commie, he supported Castro in the Cuban Missile Crisis era.
None of us in our lifetime will never know the full facts so make of it what you will, the event happened, JFK is dead, anything more is supposition.
Oswald the perfect fall guy. No proof, but hell he was a communist, nail his foot to the deck, make the investigation turn out this way. Oswald hadn't even zeroed the weapon, or shot it . These things take practice, the official story is horse crap. But as I said, Kennedy was just a Southern hating yankee trying to squeeze a few more nickles our of the south and force association among us. I'm saying the conceded yankee or his fast ass yankee wife had it done.
Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons were I to make a whore of my soul. (Thomas Paine)
Yeah maybe the Mafia, but what would they get out of the deal? Actually the Mafia is the best theory operationally I have heard. Who else could pull off such a sucessful attack? I bet if we put the Mafia incharge of Iraq, we'd be pumping oil, raking in casino money and bringing the troops home in a few weeks. My readings on the Mafia is they are very efficient, and suprisingly hate the Irish.
Let them call me a rebel and I welcome it, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of demons were I to make a whore of my soul. (Thomas Paine)
Just finished watching a very good programme on the JFK assassination on BBC2.
The conclusion was two-fold:
1. Lee Harvey Oswald definitely shot and killed JFK.
2. He acted alone.
From the programme a few things transpired (and yes, I know you shouldn't believe everything you see on TV):
1. Oswald was a very good shot. In the USMC he regularly attained 48-49/50 in practices of 200 yds rapid. The distance from his position to JFK was 80 yds. It was also well within his ability to fire off 3 shots in the 8.3 seconds that he did so.
2. The first shot that hit JFK and Governor... errr... (sorry forgot the Governors name
) came directly from the 6th floor window that Oswald occupied. Its trajectory was exactly correct for it to pass through JFK and the governor sitting in front of him.
3. The bullets that hit JFK and the Governor were fired from Oswalds rifle.
4. The second shot that hit JFK (head shot) could not have been fired from in front of the car. It could only have been fired from the rear and at an elevated angle.
So in short there was no conspiracy or a gunman on the grassy knoll. There was much evidence to support the fact that Oswald acted alone, but this post has gone on for long enough already.
The conclusion was two-fold:
1. Lee Harvey Oswald definitely shot and killed JFK.
2. He acted alone.
From the programme a few things transpired (and yes, I know you shouldn't believe everything you see on TV):
1. Oswald was a very good shot. In the USMC he regularly attained 48-49/50 in practices of 200 yds rapid. The distance from his position to JFK was 80 yds. It was also well within his ability to fire off 3 shots in the 8.3 seconds that he did so.
2. The first shot that hit JFK and Governor... errr... (sorry forgot the Governors name
) came directly from the 6th floor window that Oswald occupied. Its trajectory was exactly correct for it to pass through JFK and the governor sitting in front of him.3. The bullets that hit JFK and the Governor were fired from Oswalds rifle.
4. The second shot that hit JFK (head shot) could not have been fired from in front of the car. It could only have been fired from the rear and at an elevated angle.
So in short there was no conspiracy or a gunman on the grassy knoll. There was much evidence to support the fact that Oswald acted alone, but this post has gone on for long enough already.
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Danny
The Panorama programme was excellent and as you and Tab have said a bolt action rifle fired the 3 shots (A fourth shot was never proven) in 8.3 seconds was a positive contribution.
The computer graphics of Kennedy/Connolly and the frame shots second by second puts the conspiracy theory in its place, although of course one could see the latter from the conspiracists point of view in all the coincidences in the immediate aftermath. The film 'JFK' starring Kevin Costner helped to fan the flames when it really appears there weren't too many flames there in the first place!
The Panorama programme was excellent and as you and Tab have said a bolt action rifle fired the 3 shots (A fourth shot was never proven) in 8.3 seconds was a positive contribution.
The computer graphics of Kennedy/Connolly and the frame shots second by second puts the conspiracy theory in its place, although of course one could see the latter from the conspiracists point of view in all the coincidences in the immediate aftermath. The film 'JFK' starring Kevin Costner helped to fan the flames when it really appears there weren't too many flames there in the first place!
