Battle of britain, was apparently won by the americans

[Whitey]

Lew,
Island going warriors? You sound like Mel. Remember the Norsemen? Could have alittle viking in your gene pool, I know I do.
Hollywood is a sham, look at GI Jane, yeah a chick SEAL, a chick in the NFL would have a better chance, Starship Troopers, Service equals rights, birth equals unic, and spray and pray on insect terrorist's, sound familiar?

As for the Battle of Britian, the British showed what they can do when backed against a wall.

The best thing to do is stop paying to see these bullshit made flicks, Pearl Harbor was an Empathic Chick flick. It demonized the Japs to another generation to mute questions of "Why did we thermo nuke civilians?"

I see no glory in radiating non-combatants. The truth is, the Japs were planning to give up, but wanted conditions. The nukes equaled surrender at our mercy.

Blackhawk Down covers a senior comanders incompetence by focusing on the bravery of those who are affected by stupid decisions. Look at Jessie Lynch, we make heroes and glory of that which we are ashamed.

As for change, good luck Chuck, the last time we seriously demanded change in this nation they buried 600,000 of us in 1865. Imagine what they'd do to us today? Frank is right, make some money and stay out of their way, it's their Rocky Horror Picture Show. I try to tune it out.

[Sully]

Unfortunately, I don't get a chance to look at the site much these days but what a cracking post from Whitey - good on 'yer.

I had the chance of meeting a good few citizens of the good ole USA when on exercise in Ft Bragg and Jacksonville and they generally showed us great kindness (apart from the bouncers with their cattle probes - long story). One of the aforesaid heroes of Mogadishu (before he joined Delta) had a big hand in my decision to join the Royal Marines - for which I'll always be grateful.

I'm very concerned about the direction 'the US' seems (from here) to have been taking in its foreign and economic policy. When I'm tempted to think that the grim reaper's global conquest is fully supported by the people its good to know there are still plenty of enquiring minds over there.

Posts like that make me re-adjust my position and remember the great people that I met And your right - they're crap films - don't watch them.

[Ex-URNU-Student]

These sorts of films still tend to be made with British cooperation unfortunately. No British actor or company should have anything to do with it at all.

[Whitey]

Well just look at it. Only in Hollywood are gays glamourized,Ghetto Culture portraited as noble, white men as terrorists and women digitally modified to still look sexy and 110 lbs beating up a 250 lb man. If you want truth seek it, if you want to toss your brain in the trash for 2 hours go see a movie. In every war film makers are called on to make war seem noble, clean and righteous (But, never accurate). American support for Iraq is diminishing and so the movies come out. Look at all the war flicks prior to 9/11. Yep militarizing viewers as they unknowingly chomp on popcorn and suck diabetes enhancing soft drinks.

I like the history channel version myself. It showed RAF pilots pulling off the impossible, because they had no other choice but to do so. It was like an arial Alamo, but in the end the RAF was still in the air. I doubt a film making a hero of Brits would sell many tickets here, people here give a shat about our own hero's.

[Smoke286]

Lew,
Mel Gibson is'nt a YANK(there you go again)He's from down under just pretending to be a YANK cause he can make more money here.Stop heaping us all together,or I'll be calling you all Limey's.
Get my drift?
Wholley.

It is my understanding that Mel ibson was in fact born in the NY State

[Smoke286]

Hollywood has made some shameful excuses for Historical dramas, The Patriot comes to mind, Pearl Harbour was the worst excuse for a war movie I have ever seen. U 571 had the distinction of at least being a fairly good action flick, even if it was totally untrue and disrespected the British who actually performed a similar feat.
But I have to take issue with the complaints I have seen in the past of Saving Private Ryan, and the even more impressive Band of Brothers. These were American stories. If Someone wants to complain that the British or German sides were not adeqetly explained they are barking up the wrong tree, they should be asking why their film industry has not produced War movies of equal stature in recent years. Could it be that the general populace wants to play down its role in previous wars, or just that they aren't interested
Personally I would love to see a big budget movie about Canadian troops at war in WW II, but I'm not holding my breath

[Ex-URNU-Student]

Also the problem is exacerbated by the fact that us Brits arent exactly enthusiastic about making our own films anymore are we? The ones we do make are all geared purely for the US market.

[Frank S.]

Well there's not much choice for Europeans to compete. I remember about 20 years ago or so, at the international TV and film show in Monte Carlo (Monaco), American companies selling their films and series, leaving the European competition to hold an auction to sell their own. Nobody bought European.
Very, very seldom does a foreign movie get dubbed in English for distribution in the US. People here don't pay money to go read subtitles when they don't even know the actors.

But... That was then. There have been a few (admittedly very few) foreign flicks which made sizable profits here in the US despite being subtitled in recent years.
The Hollywood formula is running out of gas, people want better content for the 9 dollars it costs to see a movie.
What irks me is Hollywood's habit of doing remakes of interesting foreign films:
Traffic
Solaris
Vanilla Sky
Insomnia (adaptation of a Swedish film if I remember right)
And on and on and on...

[Mike]

I have come to the conclusion that we should give our history to the Americans and see what changes they can make to it.... If we don't, they will take its and change it anyway.
Trouble is that they have little or no history of their own, I don't call 200 odd years history... Lets face it most of our antique furniture is older than that? Some say, Americans that is, that all they are doing is dramatising our exploits, I say our exploits don't need further dramatisation, most is such, that even Spielberg couldn't enhance it.
The problem with their argument is that some 80% of their citizens believe the crap and dross that come out of their own film industry and because its not in black and white but in Colour!!!
The only reason, as said earlie,r is that they have no history of their own, so they have to hijack someone else's, or change the little they have, to make'm selves look good, in Public and as a Nation they appear Brash and overconfident but in person they are mostly, very insecure.
My old man always said " The Americans, a lovely people, but, Very Simple"
Aye

Before any incoming.....Yes I have travelled your country East to West, North to Nouth, and have many friends in the States. That don't stop me from telli'n how it is!

[Frank S.]

That may well be, Mike, but how could you deny the American way with words? Witness this poem that Dubya wrote for his wife (yes, she actually read it publicly):

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Oh my, lump in the bed
How I've missed you.
Roses are redder
Bluer am I
Seeing you kissed by that charming French guy.
The dogs and the cat, they missed you too
Barney's still mad you dropped him, he ate your shoe
The distance, my dear, has been such a barrier
Next time you want an adventure, just land on a carrier.

I had to make sure this wasn't BS from CNN. Man, he's got a way about him, don't he?
(Ducking for incoming, now. )

[lodgi]

f@#k the yanks. Bastards!!

[Whitey]

Lodgi,
The movies in Hollywood ain't documenteries. But lets say America said f@#k the Brit's in WW1 and WW2, sure you may not have been invaded by Adolf, but your people would have certianly suffered worse and you'd be dealing with a Europe you couldn't stand. Not that anyone owes anyone anything, acts of kindness shouldn't be expected to be returned, but Lodgi no one, well except for the brothers, white trash or queers beleive anything Hollywood produces or says. They always put their spin on it, so lay off the yank shit, but should you choose to say f@#k Hollywood, I and many others would join you. It ain't about accuracy, its about ticket sales.

[Frank S.]

Lodgi: having a bad day?

[harry hackedoff]

Lodgi, as our Cousins would say, that`s strike one. Behave yourself or leave.
Remakes by Hollywood? La Cage Aux Folles, Seven Samurai, et al.
It ain`t about accuracy, you`re right there Whitey. Look at the names on the production side of most Hollywood films. They give a picture of what it is about.
There are exceptions, and the team that made Private Brian and Band of Brothers trully are exceptional. Forrest Gump has enough money to make films outside of the Hollywood mould. I think he is to be commended, not condemned for not telling the British view. These are American stories, very well told, and as good as it`s ever going to get from Hollywood.
We had a post about Band of Brothers, last year and the concensus was that you should read the book( author died last year). The film was an unbelievably accurate visual representation of the author`s research, and the thing that amazed us was how well the (mainly British) cast looked like the guys they played. Remarkable effort!
Aye,

[ponysoldier]

Well hello to all
At the risk of getting a boot or frag thrown at me. I really must
agree with yall. These writers dont have a clue Ive read most
of all that is wriiten on the battle of britian and It just dont
work their way.
Lewis and Clark were threatheened by the finest light
cavalary in the world Lakota just ask Gen custer opps
ponysoldier