On the fence. All or nothing.

[MSI64]

I take every story with a large pinch of salt. Seems wierd that in 17 years of being in, I have never been bullied once or seen any of the goings on you claim you have witnessed. Having been both a trainer at Phase one and two I can say for certain I have again never seen it during basic.

Peoples perception of bullying is a personal one this I admit, however I do agree that some people are far too gentle and fluffy to join the Army.

The Army trains you to be tough and some people are not cut out for it.
I was 23 at the time I joined so a little older and wiser.

however the young man came on here for advice and filling his head with horror stories is possible not the right way to go about it

Times are tough I agree but its no longer the 80s or the 70s, things have changed massively With duty of care and health and safety bullying is nearly non exsistant
I certainly was not a sporty type when I joined but I got on and got my head round it. Its a different world this man is joining and he needs to be secure in the knowledge that the system is on his side and all measures are there to help him pass out and be a quality soldier

Its train in not select out its that simple.

[liam115]

Liam,

You sound "social".

You sound like the typical guy.

I have an Xbox.

Your slim right?

(Guessing)

well i suppose im social online but thats probably because in the back of my mined i think im probably not going to meet any of these people in person. im not really skinny im quite chubby and unhealthy but its not so bad because im tall i dont look overweight even though i am but anyway when i meet new people (in person) im usually not that social because most people seem to stare at me when they 1st see me. so i class myself as unsocial in person and social online.

[Fusilier]

I would suggest joining some clubs/gym etc now. Not leaving it until one goes to training. You can work on your fitness while you wait and meet people at the same time. I am sure even my wife has been on a course for exertive training, public speaking.


I think its fair to be honest that the Army is not a boys club. There is and will be a pecking order even today, full stop. What arm/service you join will make a big difference.

I am sure the Army has improved with regards to bullying. To even imply that there is not any is like saying racism does not exist. Maybe we could tell the female Beefeater there is no bullying in the Army. It can be a hard life at times and not everyone is suited, anymore than everyone can be a doctor or Fireman..


No disrespect to this young man but the obligation is on him to make and progress forward now. I am not saying it will not be tough and take a strong determination but then that is what he will require for the future full stop.






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Don't know where you spent your 17 years. If you need more, let me know.

[Fusilier]

I am not sure when and how to break the news and how are my relatives going to take me seriously. Perhaps on the day of the ADSC when I have my hair shortened.

Why not get your hair cut now. Its a small start but has a bigger meaning symbolical to others around you that you are serious. Its a small start and the way forward. Lots of little steps.

[MSI64]

The female Beefeater is a whole other thread, dont even get me started on that one!!!!

[Mark5]

"The Army trains you to be tough and some people are not cut out for it.
I was 23 at the time I joined so a little older and wiser."

"Its a different world this man is joining and he needs to be secure in the knowledge that the system is on his side and all measures are there to help him pass out and be a quality soldier"

Those are sound comments. Thank you, as I appreciate your wisdom. Why do you think I registered on this forum? I have to discuss so I know that other men have been through the same thing? So I'm more "normal" then I thought I was, if you understand this logic.

I've grown up studying philosophy, greatly boosting my intelligence (and albeit arrogance). The Army would also bring a gust of fresh air, to act as a catalyst for change.

I'm 22.

[Mark5]

Maybe your good looking?

[Mark5]

That's that barrier down.

Now, what sort of short?

I'm refering to the "short" that you can style. The short crop hair doesn't suit my head. I have a long, broad face with a forehead.

That was so hard to say online.

[Mark5]

Answer Time,

I wish to serve in the Army.

My skills are reasoning, numerical application and more importantly a sharp perception.

I like "art". Skills further to creativity.

I like running at night. I like being helpful, no matter how busy the store is I treat every man, women and child the same.

I'd fit in anywhere. I don't envision being powerful or wealthly. I do seek loyal mates, a wise wife and wonderful children.

I'm into history, Masonry, and philosophy. I sound like a snob at least I'm an "Individual". The sort that will be chiselled away, I think Senior NCO's don't approve of portentious individual boast of philosophical whims.

Field Marshall, lost it? I don't seek rank, I seek recognition, not insignia. It's for the CO, section commander and the like to make judgement in their decerning eyes.

I'd like to use what I have learned. Later in life I hope to attend lectures in ancient history. I want to visit China, Peru, Egypt, Mexico and Israeal.

I have already written some works, and my betters found them to be a delight.

AVCE in Business Studies. Then GNVQ in Business Studies. Business Studies won't make a Soldier a better Soldier, well thats my opinion.

Being Helpful is the best kind of service.

[MSI64]

Hi Andre !

When you say Masonry I hope you are refering to houses and not Free Masonry.

I would advise you to have a fixed idea of what you want to do. Otherwise the recruiting officer will take full advantage and you'll end up filling a space the Army wants filled.
I wanted to be a Royal Engineer. My recruiting NCO was obliged to try his luck to fill spaces and tried to convince me I'd be good at other things, but I was having none of it and stuck to my guns.

You have a good education. Don't let it go to waste ! If you like building houses then the Royal Engineers is for you. Or if you want to use your mind and you have good discernment perhaps the Intelligence Corps. Aim high ! Don't accept second best !

Again we see information that isnt even accurate, A recruiter will look for the best job for the applicant We dont have job targets or spaces we need to fill, its pointless putting an individual in a slot he doesnt like as we dont keep him.

Engineers needs MATHS, ENGLISH AND SCIENCE GCSE C or above.
Int Corp requires 5 GCSES one preferably in a Lang. And there is a selection process to get through. if you dont like standing in front of people and having them tear your plans to pieces then it aint for you.

Go to your local careers office and get on an army look at life course, its a couple of days where you get a short taste of what your walking into.

Please be aware that some jobs have a long long waiting list some even over 12 months.

[Mark5]

Daniel,

I had not typed in the discipline of the Army I wanted to join. I want to join the Infantry. Either the Rifles, or a Regiment.

I've been told that in order to join the Intelligence Corps you need to have served as a regular. Educational proofs can be attained for this advancement.

Andre