Not wishing to put anyone off joining the forces......

[Oakers]

S'cuse me are you talking to me or one of the others Jack?

[BenChug]

"Between 1982 and 1999 21 people under the age of 18 died during battle
or training."

How many died through traffic accidents in the same period?

This is a leaflet about joining the forces not about road safety.

Ok then Maria, how many people where killed working between the period 1982 and 1999, under the age of 18, how many were seriously hurt while working?

This article is basically saying that if you under the age of 18 you shouldn't join the military as it is a unimformed decision, you have plenty of opportunitys in the military. Its like going to school for you first time in secondary level you hear about hazings and getting stuffed in lockers and stuff. Never have I heard of or seen a hazing taken place in the army.

In reference to the you cannot leave without the 6 years or whatever, its a contract you signed, in the presence of a gaurdian or your parents.

[lew]

I have a question, at what age are you grown up??? Is it when you reach 18 or 21 or is it due to life experience??? I’ only 17 but consider myself to be both mentally and physically strong as well as mature. I can hold a conversation with any adult and argue my point in a clear and concise manner as I hope I have proved on this forum already..

Would you consider it grown up not to panic when your dad is bleeding to death on the hall floor because he almost cut his hand off??? Holding his arm as high as you can to try and stop the bleeding whilst waiting for an ambulance and not letting him fall asleep??? Because you know that would be it???

As I said before I’ only 17 but I consider myself to be grown up and sometimes wonder how many adults could cope with that, and come through the other side without serious emotional damage???


lew

P.S. he made it through... 24 months of physiotherapy???

[hedgie_rm]

maria is there not a demo about something you know nothing at all about even though you are convinced your an expert to go to and stop boring people that keep you nice and safe so you can mouth off

[Maria]

hedgie

'know nothing' - 'mouth off' and 'your posts' are words that seem to be strongly connected.

Maria

[always go commando]

I missed out on an argument here. So I shall retort, when I said that the article was a piece of hippy propaganda I was of course not being serious, hippy propaganda is currently my phrase of the month. (Although the article does have to word ‘peace’ in its link.) Maybe I should have said something about organised religion. However, I think that the article is very one sided and deceptive.

The homelessness charity ‘Crisis’ estimates that 30% of people sleeping on the streets have been in the armed forces at some point.

This may be a fact but its a fact about an estimation.

The Guardian, June 2000: “One soldier went AWOL for nearly a year after his girlfriend told him to choose between the Army and her. Soldiers have been denied permission to take time off after finding out that their parents or even spouses had fatal illnesses”

Two points here, any job can refuse to give you time off and when you sign up, you sign up. You agree to all these terms

“There is nothing much better around if you don’t have the GCSEs. This way, I get to see the world.”

That’s a fact if you don’t want to do an apprenticeship and work 40 hours a week for £40 a week the army is very attractive.

When I said

I’ve never met a 16 year old child

And you replied with

Could it possibly be that you are too close to being a child or perhaps you are in fact childlike yourself – this would indeed make it difficult for you to recognise such characteristics in others.

If you’re going to have a go at me do it properly. I am childish every now and then I love being childish every now and then. I have a lot of fun. But if your going to make assumptions about me, I could make an assumption about you, however from the nature of this post i think my assumption if true would probably be quite upsetting to you. and there’s a few that would be offensive

As a new recruit, you might be subject to harsh initiation rites. This treatment could continue even after you’re not so new – the Army has had to deal with several cases involving bullying, ritual humiliation, and sexual harassment.

The modern military is very harsh on these things now. These things happen in the civilian world too. And if you were to write about that, saying ‘had to deal with several cases’ would be one hell of a understatement.

I know it’s not nice that 16 and 17 years olds die. But come on (I hate to sound cruel) everyone dies eventually.

One last point, well more of a statement

'know nothing' - 'mouth off' and 'your posts' are words that seem to be strongly connected.

Eh? The best thing I can come up with is your making a statement about the length of the sentence that they came from or your just stating the obvious.


my first long post i'm quite nervous

[always go commando]

having just read the post where maria explain you were in the military has changed my opinion on you i have gone from disliking you from my first impression to not understanding you at all. i hate well thought out arguments especially when i've just got in from the pub.

I agree that this type of leaflet would not have stopped me joining up. I was brought up in the military and knew that it was what I wanted to do. I had seen the good and the bad. As you so aptly say, some do have an idealised view of the military and anything that brings forth some of the possible realities is good.

As far as I am concerned the leaflet serves it purpose if it makes a possible young recruit think a bit more about what they could be taking on. I don't know how old you are Jackal but you do say that it made you think...but not enough to warrant not going in. I would suggest that the leaflet did what it said on the tin.

this is the point where the argument stopped, i was too late to give my opinion becasue to be honest i read page one and got angry. damn my impulsive fingers. i wish the devil would pull me off......pull me off to hell

[Mike]

maria is there not a demo about something you know nothing at all about even though you are convinced your an expert to go to and stop boring people that keep you nice and safe so you can mouth off

Is there any chance that some of you lot could write in Hieroglyphics or even Pyrotechnics....coz then it would be more picturesque and entertaining.
I don't appear to understand a word you write, the above quote is a prime example...
I don’t normally like picking up Grammar or spelling, mine is not always up to scratch either.... however...this must take the biscuit!

If you are in the Corps, How the bloody hell did you get in, and If your looking to join…..shit God preserve us..

[Andy O'Pray]

I have a question, at what age are you grown up???

Lew, Some people mature and become responsible adults earlier than others. Some people never grow up. There are many males born into this world, not all aspire to be men.

Aye - Andy.

[hedgie_rm]

yeah cheers mike anyway not like in your day eh

[BenChug]

If you've never been in the military or did not grow up in a military family, you really have no say about the options or opportunitys that develop from a career in the army, navy or air force which keeps us all and our countrys interests protected from the likes of scoundrels like Hitler, Saddam, Stalin unfortunatly not B.Liar and Mr.Bush.

[BenChug]

On a further note,
mike, hedgies comment actually does make sense.

The homelessness charity ‘Crisis’ estimates that 30% of people sleeping on the streets have been in the armed forces at some point.

Well seeing as how alot of the people on the streets, were in the National service is what this is really saying is if you were in the military your 70% less likely to be homeless. As the remainder was made up by strictly civilians. You can make statistics say anything you want them to.
As 99.9% of all statistics are made up, including this one.

My youngest brother just graduated, he's working as a labourer until he has enough money to move back to England to join the Royal Green Jackets.

He makes better money there, has more fun there, better mates there. Although he does make substantionally more than 40 quid a week closer to 250. But I'm out of touch I haven't been in England since I was just a lad and 17, is that the current going rate back home? cause it sure sounds like crazy speak to me.

Editted due to content.

[hedgie_rm]

thank you benchung the lack of grammer which is laziness on my part granted indicates an inadequate performance on 3 operational tours and 7 years service with the corp and my comments on this website according to mike at least somebody is not pathetic enough to judge my life on grammer alone cheers i didnt use grammer out of principle on this post however i might do in the future because it is actually quite hard to understand

[bongo]

Not getting any hedgie!!

Always willing to pop down and administer stella enema fella!!

[hedgie_rm]

What on the officers mess table never