I didn't "gob off", I just refused to back down.
I have never claimed to have been apart of any regiment, therefore I am not a walt.
I know my place on this forum, I also know the extent of my knowledge.
I respect you as a para, you have no reason to respect me, I accept this. Maybe if you met me your opinion would change, this is unlikely to happen, but in the meantime I would ask you to refrain from condemning me as a lowly walt.
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Hello ADDiction.
It is not a case of 'backing down', more one of understandinding that your source is not that reliable.
You may find that the 'jungle phase' is part of selection and not continuation training.
Cliodna,
Yes, forgot all about the creative writing.
I understand this has been upgraded to Media Relations and is now run by Sky Media.
Sky having been 'awarded' the contract due to their recent reporting from Iran.
Rover
It is not a case of 'backing down', more one of understandinding that your source is not that reliable.
You may find that the 'jungle phase' is part of selection and not continuation training.
Cliodna,
Yes, forgot all about the creative writing.
I understand this has been upgraded to Media Relations and is now run by Sky Media.
Sky having been 'awarded' the contract due to their recent reporting from Iran.
Rover
I believe you are right on both counts Rover. I shall research the matter fully when I find the time.
I am ever so slowly learning to accept advice from superiors. I hope in the future my arrogance will subside, and I will finally learn to accept members views.
It is the only way to learn from the goldmine that is mfat.
I am ever so slowly learning to accept advice from superiors. I hope in the future my arrogance will subside, and I will finally learn to accept members views.
It is the only way to learn from the goldmine that is mfat.
ADDiction,
Never mind, live and learn. I didn't intend to sound arrogant, just get a bit fed up of complete bollocks being posted by people who don't know what they're on about. A simple phrase preceding a statement, such as "I believe..." or "To the best of my knowledge..." rather than making a statement of fact when you're not sure would save you a lot of grief. I don't pretend to know everything and make it quite clear when I'm speculating; I also don't feel that my aspirations make me any better than a fourteen yr old wannabe. I'm here trying to help some of the younger lads because I got so much help from these sections before I joined. At the end of the day I'm still a wannabe higher up the chain - in fact I recently failed my first attempt at the SB briefing course through injury.
In as much detail as is probably appropriate on an open forum:
Apply through chain of command.
Medical.
Briefing Course - SAS and SBS very different, SAS one is (apparently) more of an intro to what to expect, SB very physical and designed to ensure you are already at the minimum standard of fitness and nav required to pass Aptitude.
Selection, roughly: 4 weeks Hills (Aptitude phase), 9 weeks Jungle; by this point majority of blokes who are going to fail have been weeded out. Remaining ten weeks other SF-type stuff, counter terrorist bits, escape and evasion, SF parachute course, etc etc. Badging. EDIT - doubting myself now, it may be seven weeks in the trees and twelve after. Anyhow, something like that.
Continuation comes after badging. If operations require, you may go straight to a squadron and come back to continuation later. It consists of different bits for the different Regts, as an example SB includes dive course and maritime interdiction. I would hazard a guess that SAS would include HALO/HAHO jumping.
That's all off the top of my head, so I apologise for any errors, tho I'm fairly certain it's accurate enough.
In this case you wereif I was talking shit I would understand his approach.
Never mind, live and learn. I didn't intend to sound arrogant, just get a bit fed up of complete bollocks being posted by people who don't know what they're on about. A simple phrase preceding a statement, such as "I believe..." or "To the best of my knowledge..." rather than making a statement of fact when you're not sure would save you a lot of grief. I don't pretend to know everything and make it quite clear when I'm speculating; I also don't feel that my aspirations make me any better than a fourteen yr old wannabe. I'm here trying to help some of the younger lads because I got so much help from these sections before I joined. At the end of the day I'm still a wannabe higher up the chain - in fact I recently failed my first attempt at the SB briefing course through injury.In as much detail as is probably appropriate on an open forum:
Apply through chain of command.
Medical.
Briefing Course - SAS and SBS very different, SAS one is (apparently) more of an intro to what to expect, SB very physical and designed to ensure you are already at the minimum standard of fitness and nav required to pass Aptitude.
Selection, roughly: 4 weeks Hills (Aptitude phase), 9 weeks Jungle; by this point majority of blokes who are going to fail have been weeded out. Remaining ten weeks other SF-type stuff, counter terrorist bits, escape and evasion, SF parachute course, etc etc. Badging. EDIT - doubting myself now, it may be seven weeks in the trees and twelve after. Anyhow, something like that.
Continuation comes after badging. If operations require, you may go straight to a squadron and come back to continuation later. It consists of different bits for the different Regts, as an example SB includes dive course and maritime interdiction. I would hazard a guess that SAS would include HALO/HAHO jumping.
That's all off the top of my head, so I apologise for any errors, tho I'm fairly certain it's accurate enough.
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Is this the same for SAS and SBS then or do they do it differently? If the same is it run together or is it still seperate?Selection, roughly: 4 weeks Hills (Aptitude phase), 9 weeks Jungle; by this point majority of blokes who are going to fail have been weeded out. Remaining fourteen weeks other SF-type stuff, counter terrorist bits, escape and evasion, SF parachute course, etc etc. Badging.
And what is the difference between a SF parachute course and a normal one? I thought it would be HALO/HAHO stuff but then you say that comes with SAS continuation
Only in as much detail as its possible for you to say obviously. I'm not looking at going SF only curious is all.
Chris, not 100% on this, but I'm fairly sure the two courses don't separate until badging now. SRR split off a lot earlier.
No idea on the parachuting differences, but a lot of blokes on Selection won't have done 'normal' parachuting anyhow. HAHO/HALO is still purely an SAS preserve, it's not part of SB's remit. Hence I imagine it's part of their continuation.
No idea on the parachuting differences, but a lot of blokes on Selection won't have done 'normal' parachuting anyhow. HAHO/HALO is still purely an SAS preserve, it's not part of SB's remit. Hence I imagine it's part of their continuation.
I believe...(note the key phrase everyone) that there might be some slight irregularities in your note there druadan, although the gist of it seems fairly sound. After test week there is 1-2 weeks off for the lads when the officers are doing their week etc before the jungle. The jungle is 6 weeks not 9 I believe, and your 'continuation' skills or military skills or whatever are key to this, patrolling etc. It is my opinion, that there is no CT work after the jungle until you are on that particular cycle within the squadrons, additionally there be have been changes recently. E and E and RTI. I believe the difference between a 'normal' jumps course and an SF one is the use of 'squares'. My belief was that badging came at this point. My confusion was over your use of the term 'continuation' training which I do not believe exists as a distinct phase within regular SF other then in the jungle. Obviously training, learning and progressing never stops as you do different courses and jobs.
This is going off the SB brief I had last week. 'Continuation' training, in their terminology at least, is special-to-arm training after badging. That point I'm sure on, although I agree it is a somewhat ambiguous title. SF Parachute is before badging as you say, it is the even more specialised jumping that is unique to SAS, in the same way that maritime interdiction is unique to SB.
I was under the impression that Officer's Week was run concurrent to other evolutions, and certainly wasn't told about a couple of weeks off before the jungle, but this may have been omitted.
Trees, note my edit above, nine weeks does sound too long, upon reflection I'm fairly sure it's seven - three weeks of acclimatisation (beach runs, then ) SOPs, weapon handling etc followed by a 28 day exercise. As you say, main focus on military skills.
CT work I may be wrong on, far more attention was given to the more 'selective' stages (aptitude and jungle) than the later 'training' stages, on which we were just given a brief run down. See PM.
I was under the impression that Officer's Week was run concurrent to other evolutions, and certainly wasn't told about a couple of weeks off before the jungle, but this may have been omitted.
Trees, note my edit above, nine weeks does sound too long, upon reflection I'm fairly sure it's seven - three weeks of acclimatisation (beach runs, then
) SOPs, weapon handling etc followed by a 28 day exercise. As you say, main focus on military skills.CT work I may be wrong on, far more attention was given to the more 'selective' stages (aptitude and jungle) than the later 'training' stages, on which we were just given a brief run down. See PM.
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