Shocking article in the NY post

[xcj]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04032007/po ... htm?page=1

This makes my blood boil, and my attatchment to the royal marines is a spec of dust compared to others on this forum. I read this on another foum and after wondering for a minute or two whether it was worth posting on here, i decided it was.

How can they possibly jump to so many conclusions. Firstly, theres no proof whatsoever that all 15 have admitted being in Iranian waters... other than what the Iranians say!!

As for the comments about what the US marines would do in the same circumstances... well they're just my bloody heroes now.


unbelievable.

[mfat_man]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04032007/po ... htm?page=1

This makes my blood boil, and my attatchment to the royal marines is a spec of dust compared to others on this forum. I read this on another foum and after wondering for a minute or two whether it was worth posting on here, i decided it was.

How can they possibly jump to so many conclusions. Firstly, theres no proof whatsoever that all 15 have admitted being in Iranian waters... other than what the Iranians say!!

As for the comments about what the US marines would do in the same circumstances... well they're just my bloody heroes now.


unbelievable.

What a w@#k.... I should imagine this guy would be the first to go crying to his mummy should anything like this happen

The job of the leader (Officer) is to ensure all the members get back safely and in one piece, they are just playing to game to make sure this happens any fool can see that!

[Frank S.]

The Post is a rag and Peters a has-been. Like the proverb says, "the dogs bark but the caravan moves on"...

[xcj]

Having just been out a short sharp cycle, i've had a chance to think about it a bit more. This really must be how we look to the rest of the world?

As much as i'd like to disagree with everything he says point blank... I can't. not everything anyway.

To the world it must look like these captured servicemen/women have given in without any resistance whilst playing right into the hands of their propaganda.


I blame the Government. We must now be incredibly weak in the eys of the world.

[_chris]

A lot of its true though. Obviously not where he goes on about the marines and how they tried to please the Iranians and calls them w@#k, apart from the fact their trainings to make there 'stay' as easy as possible by co-operating, I'ld love to see how he'ld react to the same situation.

But some is very true and was said by many on this forum at the time. They should of fought back, he very unfairly blames the 15 sailors/marines when the ROE from above should be blamed, but that fact remains. Also the reaction from our government was critisized by many on here at the time and he points out their failings in his eyes. He also critisizes the Blair governments policy on the armed forces, which is fair.

I agree with what your saying, first read through pissed me off big time, but he does make some valid points if you ignore his 'US marines are the best look at these cowards'.

[ChrisBell]

It made my blood boil to! Like you say he jumps to many unfounded conclusions and is so "righteous" with his claims. His comments on the U.S marines make them sound like film stars which I'm sure some of them think they are! Plus his comment on old Maggie Thatcher shows his ignorance further as she buggered up the U.K so much i still think we are recovering from her reign!

I feel there is a lot more to the situation than meets the eye and to go on like he did is plain silly.

[Polynikes]

Ralph Peters is a c@#t. And a stupid one at that...

[Frank S.]

Let's remember this:

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."


THEODORE ROOSEVELT
(Paris Sorbonne,1910)

[mitch_boxing]

Would love to see him go into a pub full of marines and make comments like that .

Mitch

[tomharto30]

But some is very true and was said by many on this forum at the time. They should of fought back.

I have to disagree with that, as far as i know they were heavily out numbered and were heavily out done in weaponry, I mean comon surely you don't expect half a dozen marines, a woman and 8 sailors to fight back when they are completely surrounded, knowing they probably would have all been massacred before half of them had even got a round off??

[Frank S.]

I'm sure this is just an example of the media trying to shock, he really has no idea of the circumstances surrounding the "confessions" or indeed the capture itself. He is just trying to get one over on our lads and cause a media stir.

Concur. I disregard opinion pieces like this.
Interestingly, I noticed the French media keeping low key on this. In this particular case they report the facts as known and the French military forums I read are also keeping schtum.

[yet_mae]

I don't think we should really pay attention to what that mindless yank has to say, it's no wonder half the world hate the US.

We know our troops do a good job, only the other night we saw it on the documentary about the Falklands, how brave and fearless our lads are.

But big tough US Marines are fearless warriors in his eyes, maybe he didn't see some videos on youtube of some yank lads hiding under their beds screaming for God and for mercy, saying "Please lord let is pass" , how can you ask God to help you when you have fearless Taleban soldiers trying to kill you, they cut peoples heads off and massacar families and those yank marines are there screaming God help me. I too would be scared, but i'm not making articles like that yank has done.

Also I don't think he would be making articles about his tough US Marines shooting poor defensless dogs, abusing Iraqi kids and families for no good reason.

What a rant that was, but what a complete prick that guy is.

[Frank S.]

Check your fire.

This isn't a pissing contest between Royal and US Marines.
Don't make it into one.
As stated by others, opinion pieces in the media are best left ignored.

[_chris]

But some is very true and was said by many on this forum at the time. They should of fought back.

I have to disagree with that, as far as i know they were heavily out numbered and were heavily out done in weaponry, I mean comon surely you don't expect half a dozen marines, a woman and 8 sailors to fight back when they are completely surrounded, knowing they probably would have all been massacred before half of them had even got a round off??

I meant more in terms of the whole operation out there, with Cornwall etc. joining in, even HMS Cornwall when they were her sailors just sat back, I think and others have commented she should have been more active. I obviously don't expect the sailors/marines should have had a hollywood style shootout from their couple of boats with the surrounding Iranian boats.

[yet_mae]

My point wasn't to compare US Marines to UK Marines.

Correct it's media garbage, if my post offended then appolgies to those it offended, unless the guy who wrote that article is reading.

If it's out of order then remove it...