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Royal Navy sailors 'seized by Iranians'

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Fifteen Royal Navy sailors have been seized by Iranian warships in Iraqi territorial waters, the Ministry of Defence says.

Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett has summoned the Iranian ambassador in London to demand their immediate release, a spokesman said.

The incident happened following a a routine inspection of a merchant ship off Iraq.

The MoD said: "The boarding party had completed a successful inspection of a merchant ship when they and their two boats were surrounded and escorted by Iranian vessels into Iranian territorial waters.

"We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level and on the instructions of the Foreign Secretary, the Iranian ambassador has been summoned to the Foreign Office.

"The British Government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment.''

The personnel seized were from the Type 22 frigate HMS Cornwall.

A BBC News 24 reporter on the ship, Ian Pannell, said that they had just boarded a dhow.

"While they were on board, a number of Iranian boats approached the waters in which they were operating - the Royal Navy are insistent that they were operating in Iraqi waters and not Iranian waters - and essentially captured the Royal Navy and Royal Marine personnel at gunpoint,'' he said.
What are your thoughts?

I think if they knew the ships were british, they should have stayed away instead of just causing problems.
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The Iranians knew fine well these sailors/marines were British. Its the second time they've done it now and in my opinion they're trying to make a point.

Because its the second time its happened, I want to see what our government will do about it. Nobody should get away with capturing and then releasing British forces personnel to make a point.... twice.

Hopefully the Iranians will see sense and release them and the equipment unharmed.
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My thoughts.
Why were the Sailors/Marines not allowed to fight?
The British Government hamstrung them with"Rules of Engagement"
Iran with the support of Putin is saber rattling.
The US DoD is now stuck with a Democrat run Congress who quite happily play politics with Service peoples lives.
Not to far in the future the US will not be able to keep Israel on a tight leash.
The result will be a sudden flash and the death of a lot of Iranians.
Unless some western government stops talking and DOES SOMETHING.
Not holding my breath :o
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yes the sailors should fight back if that was done in iraq waters could this not be described as an act of war and dosnt it also show that the iran is trying to hide something not the smartest idea when america is considering attacking iran and they are suspected of supplying arms to the taliban and insurgency
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Wholley wrote
Why were the Sailors/Marines not allowed to fight?
The British Government hamstrung them with"Rules of Engagement"
The ROE quite clearly state if you believe your life to be in danger you can open fire, now if I was surrounded by armed Soldiers I would of believed to be in danger. I cant understand why they didnt open fire.
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But if they were completely surrounded then wouldn't most of them would have been killed if they started shooting? I'm no pacifist but surely it's better to let them have their protest and then do something about it afterwards, rather than dying over a border dispute.
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HCR wrote:Wholley wrote
Why were the Sailors/Marines not allowed to fight?
The British Government hamstrung them with"Rules of Engagement"
The ROE quite clearly state if you believe your life to be in danger you can open fire, now if I was surrounded by armed Soldiers I would of believed to be in danger. I cant understand why they didnt open fire.
If i was surrounded by 2 Iranian Navy ships it's pretty futile firing on them since you're going to get done before you get your second round off.
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Blair's R.O.E.
None of the Sailors or Marines in the boarding party were armed.
In Hostile waters in a Combat zone?

Farking Typical :evil:

And you Brit's call our President Stupid?
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What do you think would happen if the Marines in Iran just walked off and told England where to pick them up. Unless Iran are actully holding the marines and the navy personal 'hostage', I can't see a problen with it.
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Stinky wrote:What do you think would happen if the Marines in Iran just walked off and told England where to pick them up. Unless Iran are actully holding the marines and the navy personal 'hostage', I can't see a problen with it.
Are you actually joking? :o Might want to watch the news a bit more...
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I know it is a silly question. But if they walked and the iranians said stop or we will shoot etc it would basicly be an act of war and they might not want to do that.. But to be honest I havent watched the news to much lately. All I have been hearing is the british navy was in Iraqi sea, the British navy was in Iranian territory, the British navy was forced into Iranian territory by the Iranians...
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Stinky wrote:But if they walked and the iranians said stop or we will shoot etc it would basicly be an act of war and they might not want to do that..
:o They took them at gunpoint and have kept them hostage since, flying them into the capital and threatening to charge them with spying, I doubt they'll just let them walk out...
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Ok fair enough, just a thought and I should have looked into it more, you can give me a good whipping now.
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Hope they get home safe

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Quite new to all this - but would the iron lady let this sort of thing happen when she was in power?? As for me personally I don't like Blair ( no back bone)
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