So we can't deport someone because it's too dangerous for them to go back to *their* county.... outfarkingrageous
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So we can't deport someone because it's too dangerous for them to go back to *their* county.... outfarkingrageous
So we can't deport someone because it's too dangerous for them to go back to *their* county.... outfarkingrageous
This is what happens when the leader (sic) of a country - Mr. Blair, signs us into the Human Rights Act to keep his missus in work and secure their nest egg.
In my opinoin, there is a gross and obvious conflict of interests there and he should not be allowed to remain PM whilst Cherie stands against him & the government in course over human rights issues.
In my opinoin, there is a gross and obvious conflict of interests there and he should not be allowed to remain PM whilst Cherie stands against him & the government in course over human rights issues.
SP
The line between BS and PC is thin and blurry
The line between BS and PC is thin and blurry
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There's no doubt a shitty little island somewhere in the outer hebrides that would probably suffice for that bar steward and his ilk. Stack them and all the other criminal "displaced persons" on there, give them only a limited amount of rats and resources and the numbers will soon thin out. The remainder will survive or perish. Probably and preferably the latter!
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The Ozzies have the right idea, detention camps rather than the soft tratement they get here. Stopped the boats coming over didn't it!anglo-saxon wrote:There's no doubt a shitty little island somewhere in the outer hebrides that would probably suffice for that bar steward and his ilk. Stack them and all the other criminal "displaced persons" on there, give them only a limited amount of rats and resources and the numbers will soon thin out. The remainder will survive or perish. Probably and preferably the latter!
I have no objection to imigriants after all we need to them do work but please let's have a system where we know where the crims are is that too much to ask???
That is exactly what i thought.anglo-saxon wrote:There's no doubt a shitty little island somewhere in the outer hebrides that would probably suffice for that bar steward and his ilk. Stack them and all the other criminal "displaced persons" on there, give them only a limited amount of rats and resources and the numbers will soon thin out. The remainder will survive or perish. Probably and preferably the latter!
I'd like it explained to me how this young Somalian man was in clear and present danger returning to his country. Was he a memeber of a political group or high profile target for assassination? I doubt it.
Does anyone detect the faint whiff of bullsh*t in their excuse for why he was not deported? Is it just me then?
Sonne
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Sod Bognor, send them to Dartmoor.Wholley wrote:Internment camps is the way to go.
Send them all to Bognor Regis.
The old Butliz there has ready made cells, torture chambers,cold rooms and no copies of the Koran,Dirty towels.No room serviice and you had to pay for it![]()
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Plus they would have to deal with kids.(Yuck)
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This one takes the cake....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4757523.stm
Blair dismay over hijack Afghans
Hijacked plane
The stand-off at Stansted lasted for four days
Tony Blair has expressed dismay after the High Court ruled nine Afghan asylum seekers who hijacked a plane to Britain have won their bid to stay in the UK.
Mr Justice Sullivan said that the nine could remain until it was safe for them to return home.
The PM said the ruling was an "abuse of common sense" and should be overturned.
It followed the Afghan hostage drama at Stansted Airport in 2000 which led to a four day stand-off and asylum applications by 78 people on board.
"We can't have a situation in which people who hijack a plane, we're not able to deport back to their country," Mr Blair said.
"It's not an abuse of justice for us to order their deportation, it's an abuse of common sense frankly to be in a position where we can't do this.
It is difficult to conceive of a clearer case of 'conspicuous unfairness amounting to an abuse of power'
Mr Justice Sullivan
To deter hijacking and international terrorism, individuals should not be "rewarded with leave to remain in the UK", the Home Office said.
A spokesman said it had introduced a policy that enabled the secretary of state not to grant leave to people who are "excluded from international protection" and keep them on temporary admission visas.
The question of what should happen to the nine and their families had caused a serious clash between the government and the judiciary over human rights law.
The High Court judge expressed his anger over the way ministers failed to follow correct legal procedures and "deliberately delayed" implementing an adjudication appeal panel's decision from two years ago.
The decision in June 2004 meant that, under human rights law, the nine could not be sent back to Afghanistan where their lives would be at risk.
The judge also made an unprecedented order that the Home Office should pay legal costs on an indemnity basis - the highest level possible - to show his "disquiet and concern".
The nine men were jailed at the Old Bailey in 2001 for hijacking the Ariana Boeing 727 on an internal flight in Afghanistan.
Appeal judges quashed the convictions in May 2003 but insisted that their decision was "not a charter for future hijackers". They said a mistake in directing the jury was the only reason the men's appeal had succeeded.
Discouraging hijacking
Successive home secretaries had failed to grant the Afghans discretionary leave to enter the UK.
The nine were only permitted temporary admission, due to fears that to allow them to live and work freely in Britain would amount to "a charter for future hijackers".
However, Mr Justice Sullivan, sitting in London, said: "It is difficult to conceive of a clearer case of 'conspicuous unfairness amounting to an abuse of power'."
The judge went on: "Lest there be any misunderstanding, the issue in this case is not whether the executive should take action to discourage hijacking, but whether the executive should be required to take such action within the law as laid down by Parliament and the courts."
He ordered Home Secretary John Reid to grant the nine "discretionary leave" to remain in the UK, subject to review every six months.
Lawyers for the family said the decision means, subject to any appeal, that the nine and their families will now be able to take up employment and "get on with their lives".
Following the ruling, the Home Office said: "The hijackers are not deemed to present a threat to the UK's national security at present and it remains our intention to remove them as soon as it is possible to ensure that they can be returned in safety to Afghanistan."
Sonne
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4757523.stm
Blair dismay over hijack Afghans
Hijacked plane
The stand-off at Stansted lasted for four days
Tony Blair has expressed dismay after the High Court ruled nine Afghan asylum seekers who hijacked a plane to Britain have won their bid to stay in the UK.
Mr Justice Sullivan said that the nine could remain until it was safe for them to return home.
The PM said the ruling was an "abuse of common sense" and should be overturned.
It followed the Afghan hostage drama at Stansted Airport in 2000 which led to a four day stand-off and asylum applications by 78 people on board.
"We can't have a situation in which people who hijack a plane, we're not able to deport back to their country," Mr Blair said.
"It's not an abuse of justice for us to order their deportation, it's an abuse of common sense frankly to be in a position where we can't do this.
It is difficult to conceive of a clearer case of 'conspicuous unfairness amounting to an abuse of power'
Mr Justice Sullivan
To deter hijacking and international terrorism, individuals should not be "rewarded with leave to remain in the UK", the Home Office said.
A spokesman said it had introduced a policy that enabled the secretary of state not to grant leave to people who are "excluded from international protection" and keep them on temporary admission visas.
The question of what should happen to the nine and their families had caused a serious clash between the government and the judiciary over human rights law.
The High Court judge expressed his anger over the way ministers failed to follow correct legal procedures and "deliberately delayed" implementing an adjudication appeal panel's decision from two years ago.
The decision in June 2004 meant that, under human rights law, the nine could not be sent back to Afghanistan where their lives would be at risk.
The judge also made an unprecedented order that the Home Office should pay legal costs on an indemnity basis - the highest level possible - to show his "disquiet and concern".
The nine men were jailed at the Old Bailey in 2001 for hijacking the Ariana Boeing 727 on an internal flight in Afghanistan.
Appeal judges quashed the convictions in May 2003 but insisted that their decision was "not a charter for future hijackers". They said a mistake in directing the jury was the only reason the men's appeal had succeeded.
Discouraging hijacking
Successive home secretaries had failed to grant the Afghans discretionary leave to enter the UK.
The nine were only permitted temporary admission, due to fears that to allow them to live and work freely in Britain would amount to "a charter for future hijackers".
However, Mr Justice Sullivan, sitting in London, said: "It is difficult to conceive of a clearer case of 'conspicuous unfairness amounting to an abuse of power'."
The judge went on: "Lest there be any misunderstanding, the issue in this case is not whether the executive should take action to discourage hijacking, but whether the executive should be required to take such action within the law as laid down by Parliament and the courts."
He ordered Home Secretary John Reid to grant the nine "discretionary leave" to remain in the UK, subject to review every six months.
Lawyers for the family said the decision means, subject to any appeal, that the nine and their families will now be able to take up employment and "get on with their lives".
Following the ruling, the Home Office said: "The hijackers are not deemed to present a threat to the UK's national security at present and it remains our intention to remove them as soon as it is possible to ensure that they can be returned in safety to Afghanistan."
Sonne
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Sonne
He shoul tell his blooy wife that!
All this human rights stuff is nonsense and a silly western obsession. What human rights does a dying child in africa have? or a women oppressed in the middle east for wanting some indenpence...
Also all this weakness just opens the door to the far right, look how Hitler began
He shoul tell his blooy wife that!
All this human rights stuff is nonsense and a silly western obsession. What human rights does a dying child in africa have? or a women oppressed in the middle east for wanting some indenpence...
Also all this weakness just opens the door to the far right, look how Hitler began
Am i mistaken or didn't these hostages beat a fellow Afgan hostage to near death and throw them off the plane?
Many of the hostages claimed asylum and for those i think good on them. They have a valid claim as this is the first safe country they set foot in after leaving their own so i have no problem with that. Unlike those who move through several neutral countries before finally arriving here.
What i want is for the major parties to react to the BNP not by denouncing them as racists but by cutting off their oxygen. If they move to tackle the issues that affect the BNP's prime voters then you'd see their support dropping massively. It's easy to simply smear another but it's difficult to completely usurp their position.
Sonne
Many of the hostages claimed asylum and for those i think good on them. They have a valid claim as this is the first safe country they set foot in after leaving their own so i have no problem with that. Unlike those who move through several neutral countries before finally arriving here.
What i want is for the major parties to react to the BNP not by denouncing them as racists but by cutting off their oxygen. If they move to tackle the issues that affect the BNP's prime voters then you'd see their support dropping massively. It's easy to simply smear another but it's difficult to completely usurp their position.
Sonne
Noble and manly music invigorates the spirit, strengthens the wavering man, and incites him to great and worthy deeds - Homer
