Hi guy n girls
Seen a poll has started here http://forces-helpline.com/online_forum ... .php?t=299
anyone know this Officer called Kennet? Some good points have been made so far. Have your say on the subject. should this officer have sued the paper if he had done no wrong?
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davetherave
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All I can say is thank Christ I served in the Royal Marines. As I never came across Officers like these nasty buggers. Hope the forthcoming court case makes the Army get a grip and bin these two Gentlemen ASAP.
Just how can a guy can be an excellent JNCO with glowing reports one week and a Useless waste of space the next week. Something smells a bit off here I reckon.
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Just how can a guy can be an excellent JNCO with glowing reports one week and a Useless waste of space the next week. Something smells a bit off here I reckon.
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a bit off indeed
From what i can see he only became a waste of space when he dared to stand up to the Chain Of Command against a decision by his OC that this guy proved was wrong. what do most companies do in the private sector when someone sticks his head above the parapet when their right and managment are wrong? belittle and destroy that persons career and reputation.
Good reports, accepted for UKSF selection, then has a run in with his OC gets a report that would not get a grade in the scouts. sticks two fingers up at the Chain Of Command because they involved his wife and kid. Chain Of Command crap themself. promote him, say he was right and then try to stop the complaint going forward. What did the Officers have to worry about if he was a waste of rations?
very fishy
From what i can see he only became a waste of space when he dared to stand up to the Chain Of Command against a decision by his OC that this guy proved was wrong. what do most companies do in the private sector when someone sticks his head above the parapet when their right and managment are wrong? belittle and destroy that persons career and reputation.
Good reports, accepted for UKSF selection, then has a run in with his OC gets a report that would not get a grade in the scouts. sticks two fingers up at the Chain Of Command because they involved his wife and kid. Chain Of Command crap themself. promote him, say he was right and then try to stop the complaint going forward. What did the Officers have to worry about if he was a waste of rations?
very fishy
Looks like the squaddie was smart enough to know the system however and as a result you've got one very embarrassed ossifer.
Something similar happened to me. A 353 set needed repair on Quarter Final and after the repair had been effected Bluebell contacted me as the Con Sig to tell me it was ready. I passed the message on to both the Captain and Cpl who were in the one tonner with me. They forgot to go and collect the set. (we were acting as umpires).
When the stock check was done three months later the radio was discovered missing and I was sent for - even though it wasn't me who had signed for it. The Sqn Ldr told me I would be charged for losing a radio. I then pointed out the truth to him and he told me that I had no proof and would still be charged. I pulled my notebook from my pocket showing him a dated and signed receipt for the set (including its serial number) from the REME unit who I had brought it to for repair. Lots of red faces in the room then - which I might add did not include my SSM.
The Sqn Ldr asked me for my notebook and I told him no. He threatened to charge me for refusing to hand it over and eventually I gave him the notebook. He tore the page out with the receipt on it and handed me back the notebook. He then told me not to tell anyone else about the incident or I'd be for the high jump.
What he didn't know was, like every good radio operator I had also kept a log and had noted the message passed on to the vehicle commander and driver to collect the set. I never heard anything more about it but I made sure no-one knew I still had the log for Quarter Final.
If I hadn't done my job and known the system I would have been fecked.
Something similar happened to me. A 353 set needed repair on Quarter Final and after the repair had been effected Bluebell contacted me as the Con Sig to tell me it was ready. I passed the message on to both the Captain and Cpl who were in the one tonner with me. They forgot to go and collect the set. (we were acting as umpires).
When the stock check was done three months later the radio was discovered missing and I was sent for - even though it wasn't me who had signed for it. The Sqn Ldr told me I would be charged for losing a radio. I then pointed out the truth to him and he told me that I had no proof and would still be charged. I pulled my notebook from my pocket showing him a dated and signed receipt for the set (including its serial number) from the REME unit who I had brought it to for repair. Lots of red faces in the room then - which I might add did not include my SSM.
The Sqn Ldr asked me for my notebook and I told him no. He threatened to charge me for refusing to hand it over and eventually I gave him the notebook. He tore the page out with the receipt on it and handed me back the notebook. He then told me not to tell anyone else about the incident or I'd be for the high jump.
What he didn't know was, like every good radio operator I had also kept a log and had noted the message passed on to the vehicle commander and driver to collect the set. I never heard anything more about it but I made sure no-one knew I still had the log for Quarter Final.
If I hadn't done my job and known the system I would have been fecked.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam!
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davetherave
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I think you will find he is "now" 36 Sneaky. This happened 6 years ago. He has been fighting the system for what happened to his family. If he was working the system he would have been out on his backside by now. QRs are very clear. He is still serving and a Sgt I believe.
I would look more closly at man managment level
I would look more closly at man managment level
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True, He may have become injured during his career that would have had him marking time until back to full fitness. Parachuting is not a 100% safe Employment Qual in the Army.
I have personally seen a soldiers career in ruins just because he made a joke about the OCs No 2s fitting him "like a glove". because of that little bit of banter, just one comment, that soldiers career was put on hold for nearly 4 years. All it took was one bad CR from that OC with a sense of humour defect, The soldier did not deserve that but it happened, If anyone dared point that out. Well, I think you know what would have happened.
Some less deserving took his place. Now we have all seen and witnessed the arse lickers in the Coy Office. doing their up most to get up the ladder by any means.
It is a fact in the Army that through no fault of their own soldiers can and will be, regardless of their competence, be passed over for promotion due to such factors. What this leads to is a skills base at a lower level which is far in advance of what you would have if everyone was promoted as they deserved to be. Passed over L/Cpl, Cpls with 12-13-14 years experience make excellent leaders due to their experience (in my old job the average time to make Cpl was 12 years). These are the people who keep the army ticking over. By your argument their experience should be at Sgt-SSgt level. Well, if it's there, who is training and passing on the experience lower down?
I have personally seen a soldiers career in ruins just because he made a joke about the OCs No 2s fitting him "like a glove". because of that little bit of banter, just one comment, that soldiers career was put on hold for nearly 4 years. All it took was one bad CR from that OC with a sense of humour defect, The soldier did not deserve that but it happened, If anyone dared point that out. Well, I think you know what would have happened.
Some less deserving took his place. Now we have all seen and witnessed the arse lickers in the Coy Office. doing their up most to get up the ladder by any means.
It is a fact in the Army that through no fault of their own soldiers can and will be, regardless of their competence, be passed over for promotion due to such factors. What this leads to is a skills base at a lower level which is far in advance of what you would have if everyone was promoted as they deserved to be. Passed over L/Cpl, Cpls with 12-13-14 years experience make excellent leaders due to their experience (in my old job the average time to make Cpl was 12 years). These are the people who keep the army ticking over. By your argument their experience should be at Sgt-SSgt level. Well, if it's there, who is training and passing on the experience lower down?
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Thank God we didn't have any of that crap in the Royal Marines.
You could make L/Cpl in 2 years, Cpl. in 3 and Sgt in 7 or 8 years - IF you were good enough! And those timings were not unusual. You would not be allowed to be "injured" too long to affect your promotion prospects. As for comments about the OC's No 2's fitting him. Royal Marines officers aren't (generally!) that stupid. Boy - wasn't I lucky, not joining the Army!!
Sneaky.
You could make L/Cpl in 2 years, Cpl. in 3 and Sgt in 7 or 8 years - IF you were good enough! And those timings were not unusual. You would not be allowed to be "injured" too long to affect your promotion prospects. As for comments about the OC's No 2's fitting him. Royal Marines officers aren't (generally!) that stupid. Boy - wasn't I lucky, not joining the Army!!
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davetherave
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Sneaky, I know many an SB lad all good eggs, who's career would be effected through no fault of their own at Brize on the BPC. Just one bad landing and it could take up to a year before he could return. The lads gets thought test week, passes the Trees phase, passes E & E phase then all stops, Not because he was not good enough but because of something out of his control.
You was very luck you did not join the Army
You was very luck you did not join the Army
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GD,
This is not a wind up. This was normal for RM guys.
davetherave!
Sneaky
This is not a wind up. This was normal for RM guys.
davetherave!
I'm not sure what BPC means, 'cause I am of the old school. Really old school!! Can you please enlighten me?Sneaky, I know many an SB lad all good eggs, who's career would be effected through no fault of their own at Brize on the BPC.
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