The Truth about Killing!

[Hostage_Negotiator]

Did anybody see the documentary hosted by Grub Smith bearing the above title. Fascinating look at how some people are capable of doing it without compunction and others just aren't capable. The stats were quite scary. Apparently 98% of the worlds military are not capable of doing it up close and personal (ie 200m and closer) and the other 2% are made up 50/50 of Sociapaths and Born Warriors!The programn was supported by historical and Medical fact and proved to be qite eye opening. Another stat quoted was that the average combatant over the last 400 years was only 2% efficient when engaged in combat until the British Forces achieved a historical first when the troops who arrived to retake the Falklands achieved a killing efficiency rating of 97%. This was claimed to be down to the way they trained and that there have been greater advances in combat training and effectiveness between WW2 and the present day than in any other period in history! Personally I'm now let with the dilemma, am I a Warrior or a Socially Inadequate Sociapath!
or

[Doc]

Your a cross dressing pyscho with a fetish for leather

no denying it its too bloody obvious

P.S hows the Cindy doll collection going I have a new website for you based in Sierra Leone!



and its a well known fact that chefs and medics have the highest kill ratio, its just not on purpose!

[Hostage_Negotiator]

Bloody quack!
I demand a second opinion!

[Doc]

Seconded, passed! With me being schizophrenic you get two opinions in one visit, sometimes 4 or 5 depending on my/his/hers/its caffiene intake...wibble!

loon!

"step away from the automatic weapon, Step away from the grenade launcher, step away from the 12 inch knife, step away from the 9mm pistol, step away from the gattling gun with suedette grips , step away from................the pink marigolds and for gawds sake put some clothes on!"

[SpooK]

i remember seeing that, very interesting statistics, good old british breaking the habbit

[WirralSquirrel]

Yeah I remember that, am sure it also said that something like 40% of WWII soldiers where prepared to fire their rifle in the direction of the enemy.
Find this hard to believe but it certainly makes you think.
Is it the same programme where they were testing acid and other drugs on soldiers, some soldiers refused to fight whilst others where running miles and miles and coming back asking for more, sayin they could do anything.

[halloweenjack]

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsi ... lling.html

theres the link to the channel 4 article on the docu done by Grub Smith.

[GD]

They basically said that 90% of all casualties in the two world wars were from 'crew served weapons'. I can believe that.

They also said that the reluctance of a soldier to kill face to face was a mind-set, one that could be changed by conditioning. This 'conditioning' has been pioneered by the British of course but then again look at the troops used in the Falklands - apart from the guards they are now all categorised as 'special forces'. Paras, Marines, Gurkhas etc. The sending of that lot was not only clever it was psychologically brilliant. It scared the crap out of the Argies before we fired a shot. I was on Salisbury Plain at the time with the UK Armd reserve (we were tasked as Demo Sqn) and we were itching to go but while it was kicking off we were tuning a set into the BBC World Service and listening to the broadcasts about the build up. It was frightenly blood-curdling as the news announcer would ramble on about th ferocious killing ability of savage paratroopers and bloodthirsty marines and about how the Ghurkas were famous for sneaking up behind sentries and cutting their throats soundlessly with their sharp Kukris. Then they said about the Scots Guards being called the 'Ladies From Hades' and how they took no prisoners.

As the days went by we started to hear broadcasts that the special forces had landed (SAS & SBS) and how they were already lurking on the islands looking to kill as many Argie sentries as they could shove a sharp knife into.

It's very clever how the government used the BBC to get a message across to a load of conscripted Dagos LOL

[Gazza85]

Yeh i saw it, it was good.

That bit about 98% of people not capable was during WW2. Like you said since then they did "conditioning" so its not like 97-98% of people shoot to kill. Mad.

[GD]

Basically they were saying that without conditioning on 95% of soldiers would be prepared to kill an enemy face to face. with conditioning the figure goes up to 65% (I think) of guys who are prepared to kill. With Paras and the like, the training is more intensive so the average goes up to 95% who wil kill an enemy without hesitation.

[Doc]

I dont use conditioner, my hair is too short. Im going to try it cos the twonk next door is going get a panning sometime soon

[GD]

Maybe the twonk next door needs conditioning?

[Doc]

[harry hackedoff]

Asked if I could kill a man with one finger, I replied," Oooh, eventually "

Crew-served weapons always cause more cas than individual effort with a pers wep. In WW II, I thought the figures were 65% from arty and mortars
The fire-power that an average Section had available in WW II bears no relation to the fire-power available now. Same with what they had "on call" It`s grown at an exponential rate. How did they come up with the figure of 97% btw?
The buzzword now is "Network-centric Warfare"
Systems are being trialled/are currently in place, whereby the average Grav can post images, via his pers weapon video uplink, to a website. This is picked up by a FGA aircraft who`s driver sends an e-mail back to the Grav. "Target destroyed, cheers ears. "
How this is changing the role of the Infantry is yet to be seen. Can kill rates continue to improve? I wonder what happens when they hit 100%. As this efficiency increases, what will be the role of War in the twentyfirst century, and beyond?
The current JSF Programme is likely to be the last fighter aircraft that has a pilot onboard. This is the reality. How long before warships won`t need human crews onboard? Or tanks, armed hellis, and the NAAFI?

[GD]

Asked if I could kill a man with one finger, I replied," Oooh, eventually "

Crew-served weapons always cause more cas than individual effort with a pers wep. In WW II, I thought the figures were 65% from arty and mortars
The fire-power that an average Section had available in WW II bears no relation to the fire-power available now. Same with what they had "on call" It`s grown at an exponential rate. How did they come up with the figure of 97% btw?
The buzzword now is "Network-centric Warfare"
Systems are being trialled/are currently in place, whereby the average Grav can post images, via his pers weapon video uplink, to a website. This is picked up by a FGA aircraft who`s driver sends an e-mail back to the Grav. "Target destroyed, cheers ears. "
How this is changing the role of the Infantry is yet to be seen. Can kill rates continue to improve? I wonder what happens when they hit 100%. As this efficiency increases, what will be the role of War in the twentyfirst century, and beyond?
The current JSF Programme is likely to be the last fighter aircraft that has a pilot onboard. This is the reality. How long before warships won`t need human crews onboard? Or tanks, armed hellis, and the NAAFI?

I don't know how they come up with their statistics to be honest and half the time I think the ones I post are probably wrong too - going by memory you see?

I know about these trials you're talking about but how soldierproof will these things be in the short term. Even with all the FCS available these days everyone is still taught how to do it the 'steam gunnery' way because it's amazing how a direct hit, while not knocking a crew served vehicle out completely, can bugger up optics and electricals.

I think you'll still see the man on the ground being the champion for many decades to come. As an example: just six months ago you may remember the Argylls felt it necessary to go in with cold steel, despite all the technology available. Amazing that in this day and age, it still came down to the guts of one man with a bayonet on the end of what is (these days) quite a short weapon. Pure courage and determination. I believe they dispatched over 60 Iraqi rebels in this fashion in that engagement.

Then again I do remember that 1SG did something similar in the Falklands. Perhaps the Jocks just like stabbing people..............?