Whey protein

[Humph]

sorry for that then just posting what ive heard from m8s experience. guess there wrong.

Dont take it the wrong way mate but you have to admit that this is abit of an outrageous statement

creatine, or however you spell it would be best. theres a certain one. unlike most body building things it tenses and breaks the muscle, then it grows back stronger. so it does the working out for you. there are certain types though, be careful as some will make you gain mega muscles in weeks

Creatine improves recovery and to my knowledge thats about it. As for one that apparently does the working out for you, you have to admit that stinks of bull. What you described in that sentence is how the body reacts to doing weight training - no supplement could do this to the muscles.

Anyone I know who made gains when taking creating were on stupendous amounts of calories which is why they packed on the muscle but Im sure the creatine went some way to aiding recovery.

I wouldnt use protein supplements either. Any excess protein (about over 100g/kg of bodyweight) is simply pissed out of the body, therefore supplements would only be beneficial if you're not eating enough protein to begin with. Just eat more baked beans.

I would disagree with this stement too Bliartheliar as when undertaking weight training the bodies protein requirements increase signifacantly but isnt 100g per kg bodyweight and astronomical figure anyway? I aim for about 300g of protein per day as I weigh 210 pounds and so require around this amount of protein to build muscle (1.5g per pound ). if I were to go by 100g/kg of bodyweight that would mean that I was getting 9500g of protein which wouldn't be pissed out as you couldn't consume that muchto begin with.

I.M.O supplements have their place but if you arent eating properly then don't even bother training. I would go as far as a multivitamin, whey protein and perhaps some weight gain if you are truly a hardgainer despite your diet being in check i.e you need an even higher amount of calories to gain muscle which eating 7-8 meals a day doesen't provide.

Humph

[mitch1985]

i think its vitamins, if you take too many of them they will be wasted. its in this book abour fittness and royal marines. cant be arsed to find it out. but it sais you dont need em if youve got a good balanced diet.

out rageous statement. i dont see how. to be honest dont know what the f@#k thats supposed to mean

[mitch1985]

and also. im not bullshitting.

i know a couple mates who have been using it. they def said to me they were using creatine. and they said when they take it they do no excercise, and just let the creatine do the work for them. they say they can feel it at nite after they taken it as there muscles tense and feel sore. something like that. i dont disblieve them either because their results speak for them selves. they have very tense toned muscles. not big. like bruce lee style.

i never said i was an expert. but obviously if you post something on this forum it looks like you have to be.

but like i said. your the expert, im not

[ashley]

Everyone's body is different, therefore different people are going to react to whatever supplement differently. It's that simple. Besides, nothing is a replacement for a sensible training plan, a balanced diet in proportion with training and a good attitude. Don't get hung up about what someone says about something on an internet forum.

[Bliartheliar]

I wouldnt use protein supplements either. Any excess protein (about over 100g/kg of bodyweight) is simply pissed out of the body, therefore supplements would only be beneficial if you're not eating enough protein to begin with. Just eat more baked beans.

I would disagree with this stement too Bliartheliar as when undertaking weight training the bodies protein requirements increase signifacantly but isnt 100g per kg bodyweight and astronomical figure anyway? I aim for about 300g of protein per day as I weigh 210 pounds and so require around this amount of protein to build muscle (1.5g per pound ). if I were to go by 100g/kg of bodyweight that would mean that I was getting 9500g of protein which wouldn't be pissed out as you couldn't consume that muchto begin with.
Humph

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Sorry, I meant to say 1.5g/kg of bodyweight - about 100-120g a day for the average joe.

[Humph]

I wouldnt use protein supplements either. Any excess protein (about over 100g/kg of bodyweight) is simply pissed out of the body, therefore supplements would only be beneficial if you're not eating enough protein to begin with. Just eat more baked beans.

I would disagree with this stement too Bliartheliar as when undertaking weight training the bodies protein requirements increase signifacantly but isnt 100g per kg bodyweight and astronomical figure anyway? I aim for about 300g of protein per day as I weigh 210 pounds and so require around this amount of protein to build muscle (1.5g per pound ). if I were to go by 100g/kg of bodyweight that would mean that I was getting 9500g of protein which wouldn't be pissed out as you couldn't consume that muchto begin with.
Humph

Sorry, I meant to say 1.5g/kg of bodyweight - about 100-120g a day for the average joe.[/quote]

My misunderstanding mate I thought you probably meant that.

out rageous statement. i dont see how. to be honest dont know what the f@#k thats supposed to mean

I said this when referring to the statement about creatine.

Don't take it the wrong way it wasn't intended to wind you up in the slightest and I am not saying your a bullshitter it's just you have to admit that this does sound a little suspect. I mean come on doing no exercise and letting the creatine do the work for you? That goes completely against anything I have ever heard and I have never heard creatine described in this way. If you could tell me the particular brand and exact name of the product i would like to know as i could very well be wrong and I am genuinely curious.

i never said i was an expert. but obviously if you post something on this forum it looks like you have to be.

but like i said. your the expert, im not

Wouldn't consider myself a complete expert but weight training is something that I am heavily into and I make it a priority to read as much as possible and gain as much knowledge as I can whether it's to do with nutrition,supplementation or training. Thats the only reason I pulled you up on that comment because I have heard nothing of that product which you have to admit is pretty ground beeaking if its somehow building muscle without the need for training.

Like I said I apologise if I have offended you I don't want to ruin a perfectly good thread.

i think its vitamins, if you take too many of them they will be wasted. its in this book abour fittness and royal marines. cant be arsed to find it out. but it sais you dont need em if youve got a good balanced diet.

Fair point I agree with this as you should try and get as many vitamins and minerals from whole food with a good balanced diet. However this can be difficult for some to achieve and I.M.O if you are undertaking such a strenuous activity such as weight training then you could do with a few more just likre the way bodybuilders need more protein than average joe who will waste it at a much lowere level as his body doesn't need it.

Humph

[Bliartheliar]

Humph, just out of interest how do you manage to consume 300g of protein a day?

[mitch1985]

ok humph. sprry, this is a forum and not an arugue place. was just tryin to help out the dude with the question.

i read on loads of internet sites that body builders eat 1 gram of protein per pound they weight each day.

so for me thats 110 grams as i am about 11 pounds. thats quite a lot of protein to consume in one day, and ive looked on loads of foods in my house and i figured if i were to do that it would be very hard, so thats where protein supplements would come in. think thats about right. but dont kill me if im wrong.

[mitch1985]

yes that product, a certain creatine does sound pretty damn ground braking. but i do trust my friends. it could be new, they say they buy it from a body building shop. when i get time i will be down to one in town and ask about it.

[Humph]

Humph, just out of interest how do you manage to consume 300g of protein a day?

This is the ideal figure according to my bodyweight. However getting there is a bit of a problem. My diet is the worst part of my training.however I have been managing to stick fairly well to this

This is an example of a my diet that I attempt to follow but I work latenights and am at uni so the times tend to be out a bit. I follow this as best I can but vary the meals a lot to include what I feel like eating. I also have a special high calorie drink of my own concuction that I use instead of the MRP's. its very similar to what I have been following though

Wake 7:30 am
7:30 1 scoop whey protein 20g

8:00 breakfast large bowl wholewheat breakfast cereal with 1/3 pint skimmed milk + sugar 15g
2 slices wholemeal bread toasted + olive oil spread 22g
½ portion weight gain drink with water and multidextrose powder
100ml orange juice + 1 tblsp olive oil

10:30 ½ portion weight gain drink with skimmed milk 27g
fruit

12:30 tuna (95g) + 1 tblsp natural yoghurt 27g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
4 slices wholemeal bread + olive oil spread
salad
low fat yoghurt 7g

15:00 Full portion MRP* made in half water + half skimmed milk 48g
fruit

17:00 ½ portion weight gain drink with skimmed milk and multidextrose powder 27g

TRAIN

18:30(after training) 2 scoops whey protein 40g

19:30 mackerel (95g) 20g
½ small chicken breast (60g) 18g
either 2 medium jacket potatoes
or 200g boiled brown rice
or 350g boiled wholewheat pasta
vegetables
low fat yoghurt 7g

22:00 ½ portion weight gain drink with skimmed milk 25g

23:30 1 scoop whey protein in skimmed milk 25g

Total Protein 346g

[mitch1985]

bloodyhell humph. you must have legs and arms like f@#k tree trunks.

you must be as big as a house

[Winnie]

Jesus christ all mighty, that is a bloomin lot aint it humph... wow

And here is me not even getting half that...

[Chappy]

Are you hoping to go in the Marines Humph? I wouldnt fancy humping all that round the Brecon Beacons.

[Humph]

bloodyhell humph. you must have legs and arms like f@#k tree trunks.

you must be as big as a house

No I don't mate thats why I weight train as I want the size. Was priginally doing it to bulk up for rugby but im realling getting into it now and may stick with it but move more towrds powerlifting rather than bodybuilding.

Im actually 15 stone but about 6 ft 3" so im quite lanky.

Jesus christ all mighty, that is a bloomin lot aint it humph... wow

And here is me not even getting half that...

It is difficult but diet is the most important part of weight lifting if you want mass. A lot of people don't appreciate this and wonder why they fall short like I have been doing for years.

Now this is a diet I am working towards but altough i do eat almost as regular as that my portions arent as big yet as its important to work towards those targets gradually as the body can't hack that amount of extra food straight away.

Are you hoping to go in the Marines Humph? I wouldnt fancy humping all that round the Brecon Beacons.

I am thinking long and hard about it. Got talking to a friend of a friend about Sandhurst as he was going to join the Royal Artillery. This was about a year ago and Ive got anothe year and a half at uni and perhaps a year abroad after that so got myself registered on here and been reading a few books about the corps (including Amongst The Marines ) Just gonna see how it goes and maybe go for a POC in a couple of years if it's still a path I want to go down.

Carrying all that extra weight would be a problem but at present I am only aiing for another stone for the next rugby season so bearing in mind that Ill stop doing a lot of weights then my weight will drop a little too. i thin that at between 15 and 1/2 and 16 stone I could be alright endurance wise but any more may be pushing my luck a bit.

Humph

[JC]

Haven't read the previous posts, but heres my advice.

DONT TAKE PROTIEN SUPLIMENTS.

Straight from a PTI in the Paras (close enough)

Seriously, you dont need the extra weight! Focus on muscular endurance and watch your diet. Eat lots of fish (especially tuna) and drink alot of milk every day. Thats where you'll get your protien from.

Iv never taken any form of protien supliments but I can still bench press one hell of a heavy weight. Plus, if you can't be arsed to do weights "coz they are boring" then you gotta change that if you wanna put muscle on or gain weight.

Take note of what was said about there being no short cuts in training.
Get some motivation, you'll learn to enjoy weight training.