SWAT report in iraq

[Peds]

Soldier Weapons Assessment Team in Iraq, for the gun buffs out there...

http://www.bob-oracle.com/SWATreport.htm

excerpt:

The Iraqi desert was very challenging and harsh, but the current weapons, ammunition and accessories the soldiers took to battle functioned, withstood the elements and were lethal. The weapons that stood-out were the M2 HMG, M240B MMG and the M4 MWS. The M2 HMG and M240B MMG were praised mostly for their ruggedness and reliability. The weapon’s reliability was most important to the soldiers. The M4 MWS’ modularity, size and weight was well received by soldiers issued this weapon system. It enabled soldiers to conduct clearing operations in urban terrain and easily transition from day to night operations.

Although the M4 MWS was reliable, the team observed light primer indentation occurrences in the M16 series rifles: M4s and M16s. As soldiers locked, loaded and cleared weapons prior to and after operations or as directed, the primer was indented. Upon return to CONUS discussions with weapons engineers revealed that each time a cartridge is chambered in an M16 Series Rifle or M4 Series Carbine, a slight indentation is made on the primer. This is caused by contact of the free-floating firing pin against the cartridge primer as the bolt closes. This is a function associated with normal operation of the weapon. The Army conducted tests to investigate the effects of multiple detents on 5.56mm ammunition. No slam fire, or accidental discharges occurred.

However, cartridges are not intended to be repeatedly re-chambered as this may de-sensitize the primer and/or deform the body of the cartridge case sufficiently to cause misfires. The potential for a misfire may occur in as few as 10 to 20 lock and load cycles of the same cartridge. No misfire occurrences were directly observed from indentations but soldiers relayed some occurrences of accidental discharges when going through the clearing procedures and one soldier experienced a misfire – from a round cycled through the chamber numerous times. Further testing is planned to more accurately quantify these conditions and establish the need of a Maintenance Advisory Message (MAM).

As stated above, soldiers rank reliability and durability as key weapon characteristics and are not willing to trade them for anything – to include weight. Similarly, soldiers do not consider the weapon as part of their load, but rather as an enabler. They are willing to carry the weight if the weapon or device increases his lethality. This is best illustrated by soldiers purchasing their own magnified optics and the strong desire to carry an additional sidearm or shotgun for defensive and offensive purposes. Lethality is more important to the soldier than any other consideration or factor.

[cambridgebloke]

I have read and heard that the SA80 is not great, why did'nt the MOD just but M16's??

Cb

[Gary_amsterdam]

I have read and heard that the SA80 is not great, why did'nt the MOD just but M16's??

Cb

sa80A2 over the m16 any day

[Seven]

The SAS and SBS use the M-16, and prefer it over the SA80.

[adj125]

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[Gary_amsterdam]

The SAS and SBS use the M-16, and prefer it over the SA80.

Due to problems with the m16 they use a diemaco variation

they use the diamco c8 i think, wich is a canadian rifle.

[Seven]

I didn't know that, well the Diemaco is a lot like the M-16. What were the problems with the M-16?
I think they would use both the C-8 and C-7, which is the Diemaco version of the M-4 and M-16A2 respectively.

[harry hackedoff]

This is another perenial fave. It just keeps coming round and round. After twenty odd years the SA80 is less prone to stoppages than it used to be, yippee It`s still shite though. Probs with short barrelled variant of M16 causes excessive heat build-up in the barrel, making weapon too hot to hold if your not wearing Nomex. Also mag interface not very good, making the I.A. sound like this, "Weapon firing O.K., Weapon stops. Check if mag is still on Weapon"

[adj125]

[Lance]

Give them all AK47's

[harry hackedoff]

Poke the SA80 where the cleaner won`t find it.
This is the sex kit for century 21 ·




Flexible, heavy-duty weapons platform accommodates rifle and grenade launcher
Polymer "shell" can be replaced with shells of different colors, to blend in with environment
· All weapon attachments, barrels, butts, and optics can be switched out by operator, without special tools or maintenance
· Improved "pusher" gas piston cuts down on weapon jamming
Armament:
· Base configuration fires Remington .223 (a.k.a. the 5.56mm NATO) bullets; 20 mm grenades
· Attachments include XM320 40mm single shot grenade launcher, and LSS (lightweight stand-off shotgun) 12-gauge shotgun that fires 2.75" and 3" 12 gauge shells


HK are also doing trials for Elmer with a sex version of M203.
If Barry White worked for HK, this is what he`d be doing
Based on new HK Assault weapon and XM320 Launcher, it features a real-time link between a laser rangie and the XM round. The round can be set for proximity, impact, VT Air burst or the chip in the weapon converts the distance to target( from the laser rangefinder) into number of spins the grenade will make to cover that distance and the fuze will detonate after counting that many turns Do a search on www.military.com, it`s all there girls

[harry hackedoff]

Grenade burst 2.5 m above target using "turn count" fuze setting


Rounds fired by the weapon system.



Here`s the screed from mid nineties variant Latest test variant is fully" network warfare enabled" i.e. what the Grav sees through the sight is networked to wherever.

The Objective Individual Combat Weapon (OICW) provides an enhanced capability for the 21st century infantryman, with the potential to selectively replace the M16 rifle, M203 grenade launcher, and M4 carbine. When fielded, the OICW dual munition system will provide superior firepower to the U.S. Army, Marine Corps, Air Force, Special Operations Command, Navy, and Coast Guard.Program guidelines were derived from the Small Arms Master Plan (SAMP) and Joint Service Small Arms Master Plan (JSSAMP). OICW was managed by JSSAP during the Advanced Technology Demonstration (ATD) phase. For the PDRR/EMD phase, OICW management will transition to PM Small Arms with support provided by ARDEC.
· Effective range to 1,000 meters· Full defilade target capability· Moving target tracking capability· KE semi two-round burst; HE semi automatic· Recoil level 1/3 that of the M14· Ruggedized composite weapon housing· Separable HE/KE weapons· Precise target range, automatically communicated to 20mm HE bursting ammo· Five times more lethal than the M16/M203, at > twice the range· Rate of fire with KE ammo >850 rounds/min, with HE >10 rounds/minute· Easily field strippable in under two minutes· Day/night fire control; weapon interface, iron sight backup· HE ammo functional modes: airburst, MOUT short arm, point detonation, point detonation delay, and self-destruct· Laser ranging accuracy ±1/2m out to 500m, ±1m out to 1000m
Weapon OperationThe fire control system (FCS), using a laser range finder, pinpoints the precise target range at which the HE round will burst and relays this information to the 20mm ammunition fuzing system. Fragments from the bursting munition will defeat PASGT body armor and incapacitate the target. The sighting system provides full 24-hour capability by employing uncooled IR sensor technology for night vision. Accurate OICW 20mm HE airburst at 2.5 meters above ground, using turns-count fuzing precision.

[Seven]

I thought the OICW was cancelled? Or was that the XM-8?

[Gary_amsterdam]

lol @ oicw

[Liver]

But why would the MOD spend all that money on effective weapons when they have the SA80A2 which looks perfect on paper ............ plus its cheaper in the short term not to do anything