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For those who might be wondering, just read this, pretty much says it all, witten by a Canadian WW2 naval veteran and later Korean army veteran:

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnist ... 11224.html
Wed, April 7, 2004

No military power means no respect

By PETER WORTHINGTON



HOW ESSENTIAL is the military to Canada?

Even before the Soviet Union imploded to end the Cold War, there were many who felt the military was an unnecessary expense. The defence budget was invariably the first to be cut in times of financial concern.

Today, Canada has proportionately the smallest, least well-equipped army in the developed world.

As far as our national security is concerned, the anti-militarists are right - we don't need a military. If we face grave danger from some alien invader, the Americans will protect us for their own security reasons.

They will scorn us, too.

However, if Canada wants to be respected, or have any substantial influence in the society of nations, a small, professional, well-equipped and competent military is absolutely essential. It may be a sorry comment on the real world, but no country without a serious military has anything but negligible influence.

Throughout the Jean Chretien years especially, Canada's military was mostly stagnant - and our influence as a country declined accordingly. With an army of 20,000, of whom barely 4,000 could be termed "combat"troops, we are capable only of limited operations for short periods. We've joined four wars since the 1990s - the first Gulf war, Somalia, Kosovo and Afghanistan. In these our only casualties from enemy action were caused by mines or bombs in Kabul.

Our army was unfit to participate in the war against Iraq's Saddam Hussein, even had the PM wanted it to.

Politically we made a virtue of not joining our traditional allies - the U.S., Britain, Australia - in that war.

Morale of our military is at a low ebb. And no wonder. For years, a succession of federal governments have short-changed the military, while expecting them to excel on demand. Paradoxically, the quality of our troops remains high.

Training is superior to the equipment, with most soldiers younger than the helicopters, tanks, ships, aircraft they are saddled with.

When overseas, our troops are Canada's best ambassadors. Invariably they plunge into humanitarian good works in the countries in which they are stationed.

All of us want Canada to play a role in the future.

All of us want to be worthy of respect. But we will exert no influence and command no respect, if we let our military wither, as has been going on for too long.

The dangers today are different and more varied than in the past. The need for Canadian soldiers will increase - unless we abdicate responsibility and freeload on others.
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As far as i'm concerned and have read, our political leadership in regards to military has been on the fritz since WWII. It's funny when you read our history dating back to the 1800's and the Boer War era, Canadians were more wild and militant than they yanks!!

Something happened...I'm convinced its those (no i know) French Canadiens and their adorable little traitor Pierre Trudeau.

Did you know that BASTARD drove around on his motorcyle during WWII with a GERMAN helmet on, to symbolize his protest against the british. SCUM!!

And this country has the GAUL to make him a national hero!! It's just unbelievable...i just want to put my foot through my monitor just thinking about it. Must stop now...
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20,000 troops!!! :o :o :o
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re321,

For years Canada has deluded its citizens by giving the total regular force strength as the combined total of the army, navy and air force after the morale-destroying unification in the 1960's in an indirect attempt to re-create the US Marine Corps, which of course has ground, air and some naval assets.

Leftists ask themselves rightly "why is Afghanistan so big a committment when we have 60,000 troops?"

Most Canadians have no idea of what's involved in sending a battlegroup overseas, the most popular newspapers are too busy whining about health care, education, apologizing for criminals, rights of illegal immigrants and the number of visible minorities pulled over by police for reckless driving. Many leftists would be genuinely surprised to find out that the education and health budgets dwarf defence by a long shot, as in the UK.

No soldiers = no peacekeeping, no peacekeeping or NATO jobs means no influence. When will they learn?

One student in Montreal said "we should get rid of our military, that way the Americans cannot use us to carry out their imperialism." Such is the thinking of Canadians.
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redhand,
Something happened...I'm convinced its those (no i know) French Canadiens and their adorable little traitor Pierre Trudeau.

Did you know that BASTARD drove around on his motorcyle during WWII with a GERMAN helmet on, to symbolize his protest against the british. SCUM!!
Like Tony Blair, the PM who demanded so much of Canada's military was out to destroy it at the same time.

In 1970, Trudeau put what remained of Canada's armed soldiers in three major cities and suspended all civil liberties, which horrified the Americans. Not because he was anti-French, but because the FLQ represented a threat to his dream of totalitarian power over all of Canada.

If Trudeau had actually left a campus and had a real job in his life, he probably wouldn't have been such a bad guy.

Canadians would be in turn horrified to learn that at the height of Vietnam in 1970, the Yanks put thousands of troops into position to deal with an armed insurrection in Quebec, if Canada's tiny parade army couldn't contain it and needed their help. Yes its true, ask any Canadian officer who was serving at the time who's willing to talk, my source was a senior captain at the time.

Trudeau fawned over Castro, complained about the fall of the USSR and generally worked tirelessly to annoy the Americans, whether or not Nixon or Carter was in office, at any price to prove that Canada was different. As if Canada joining WW1 and WW2 years ahead of the Americans wasn't enough. Canada had a whole division storm ashore at Juno Beach while a battalion of Paras dropped the night before. Now Juno is a music awards night, those awards are not remotely worthy of the title and it should be revoked, or better yet, copyrighted by the Legion.

Obese, windbag socialist professor, Lloyd Axworthy, who bears an alarming resemblance to Michael Moore, does his best to continue Trudeau's work to destroy the great Canada the world used to know.

Axworthy was Minister of External Affairs for too long, and for that matter the position is called a FOREIGN MINISTER :evil: everywhere else in the world but this sad little country. Typical Canada, turn the Foreign office into just one more government department.

South Park was right, it isn't even a real nation anyway. Not since the Korean War, anyway, when Canadian soldiers were shooting invading Chinese until their barrels melted, never giving an inch and always counterattacking.

I am not suggesting we need to go to war again to maintain being a nation. The best scenario is to have a big military and never use it, which the pacifists of all people don't even understand.

I could rant all day.
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You and my father would get along like a house on fire...never mind me!!
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Also Df2,

It's almost heart rending to see the last good soldiers we have left leave their jobs in 'JTF2' to serve as private security in Iraq.

And i'll tell ya...they weren't just leaving for better pay (they were making 60,000 in canada...pretty good for a soldier), it would of been an option to escape the BS no doubt too.
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Redhand,
It's almost heart rending to see the last good soldiers we have left leave their jobs in 'JTF2' to serve as private security in Iraq.
I beg to differ that the members of JTF2 are the last good soldiers Canada has left. As long as the regimental system exists, there will always be lots of good soldiers here in both the combat arms and support arms, just never enough.
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df2inaus wrote:One student in Montreal said "we should get rid of our military, that way the Americans cannot use us to carry out their imperialism." Such is the thinking of Canadians.
I'm going to have to cry "bullshit" here. The sentiment you mentioned is most definitely a minority view (in fact I have never heard such nonesense in the 14 years that I have lived here) and not at all typical of Canadian thinking, especially out west. You can't broad-brush Canada as a nation from the drivel of one commie student from Quebec!

I have always found the Canadian public at worst apathetic, but generally very supportive of the military. The problem is when a government acts as it does, there are more areas suffering in the country than just the military. Therefore, the public's priorities might well be elsewhere temporarily, such as health care, agriculture, etc., but truth be told Canadians as a people have generally always supported the military well.
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As for the "last good soldiers" comment, unless you have served in the Canadian Army, you should probably keep your opinions in that regard to yourself. I know from personal experience that there are thousands of "good soldiers" in the CF. Where did you get your "facts" from?
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A-S,
One student in Montreal said "we should get rid of our military, that way the Americans cannot use us to carry out their imperialism." Such is the thinking of Canadians.
Yes, it was foolish on my part to word the second sentence the way I did. I should have pointed out that statement as from one extremist and far from the majority view, as recent Canwest Polls confirm.

However, it was quoted in Dr. Granatstein's new book, which I'm sure you know of. He was giving a lecture at McGill and one member of the crowd blurted out that silly remark, but Granatstein did consider it worthy of mention, also that the remark was followed by thunderous applause in the audience.

Its encouraging that its on the bestseller lists in Canada, perhaps people with no military background or previous interest are starting to make themselves more aware of Defence Issues and the important role the military plays?

Re: your last post, surely you didn't think I made the comment about the "last good soldiers." I would NEVER say such a thing about Canada's soldiers, sailors, and airmen. I rebutted the remark already anyway. Politicians and social activists on the other hand, I'll continue to blast regularly :D .

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