Daily Mirror interview with Cuba detainee

[Whitey]

Something in this story isn't right. Waxy red apples brown inside? The firehose shower is common in some units and schools though. We don't have 10 year old rations anymore, 3 years is the limit, I know, we ate all the 10 year old ones the military had a few years back, they were better than the ones we have now. BBQ pork and rice was so good. Maybe the capture senario is true, but the captivity seems strange, we court martialed a woman MP for kicking a resistng Iraqi in the balls, but we allow Gitmo guys to get beat regularly? Gitmo isn't supposed to be a vaction, but this story seems to be like a privates rendition of boot camp.

[Jon]

Read that the ex-inmate who ws interviewed on ITV got £60,000 out of it.
First, poeple complain about thier ill-treatment, then they pay them. Are they supporting AQ or something?

[Worthers Original]

Read that the ex-inmate who ws interviewed on ITV got £60,000 out of it.
First, poeple complain about thier ill-treatment, then they pay them. Are they supporting AQ or something?

Those guys were involved, even at a minor level, the Americans have got all the useful information out of them, they are cowards who are of no further threat and so they have been released. There is a major campaign by sections of the media to attack Tony Blair and his Government, regardless of the actual circumstances, and any chance they get to try and undermine him is taken. If there hadn't been those bombs in Madrid which now seem to defo be the work of AlQaeda then I wouldn't have been suprised to have seen marches on Downing Street with the returnees at the head being hailed as heroes.

Not a lot different to all those Hollywood movies that portrayed the IRA as a bunch of homely eccentrics fighting a tyranical despotic regime. One line from Patriot Games that I'll never forget was in reference to Sean Bean's terrorist as not being the IRA but an extreme version of the IRA. So blowing up women and children, knee-cappings, and torture isn't extreme? It's ok to portray Arabs as blood thirsty murderous scum cos they don't have nice StPatricks Day Parades.

[RDC]

So blowing up women and children, knee-cappings, and torture isn't extreme? It's ok to portray Arabs as blood thirsty murderous scum cos they don't have nice StPatricks Day Parades.

Did you see some of the stuff that the extremists were sending around to the Mosque's (sp?) in the UK? It showed one of the AlQaeda's prisoners being ripped in half. Dont know about you, but how worse can you get ?? Id rather be 'capped then be ripped in half.

[Worthers Original]

Sorry RDC but I'm not sure about the point you're making. Are you saying that you think the IRA aren't as bad as the Taliban or AlQaeda? Have you confused them with AlQaeda, the terrorist "group"? The Taliban were a bunch of goons sponsored by the Pakistani Government/Secret Service. I've not seen any footage of the Taliban ripping their prisoners in half, in fact I'd never even heard of it till you said it.

Id rather be 'capped then be ripped in half.

I'd rather be neither.

[Whitey]

Well this whole Gitmo thing is a good experience for these guys I think. I don't think the torture is anything more than lights, music and lack of sleep. Sleep depravation is a favorite of US forces, and it is effective.
The food is probably what the guards eat with the exception of pork meals. Women showing their bodies to them? No way, career ender right there for anyone involved in uniform with naked chicks. The water hose shower, I believe that, I've had it in traning before and was glad to have it rather than nothing. Cold water? It is a tropical island, cold water? Yeah please don't cool me off. This guy is just like Jessica Lynch, saying this that and nothing until he gets "PAY DAY!"

[Jon]

Who gives a damm whether they are getting tortured? If its going to stop innocent people from getting ripped apart by bombs then use all methods neccessary to get the info. Whe that Guantanemo Bay ex-inmate was giving an interview on ITV he kept on laughing when he was describing his experiences. f@#k twat will end up claiming psychological damage later on.

[Sully]

If its going to stop innocent people from getting ripped apart by bombs

Is it? Or is going to make things worse? Before anyone jumps down my throat I'm not an Al Queda supporter.

Al Queda seem to be the only ones using their noggins here. They don't have specific demands or any kind of manifesto. What they want is a reaction, a crackdown - the 'civilised West' riding roughshod over human rights (isn't that supposed to be the difference between us) and persecution of Muslims. The rest will then take care of itself.

A bit more thought is needed or things will get worse than they already are. OBL must be laughing his nuts off. Have international affairs and politics been dumbed down this much?

I'm gobsmacked when UK politicians say things like we're used to this sort of thing in the UK - we've seen nothing like this.

[Jon]

Are you saying that if we stop operations against AQ and OBL they will simply stop?

There is an interesting article in the Times/Guardian today (by Maddox or someone). It asks whether the war in Iraq was to blame for the Madrid bombings, but is careful to point out that terrorism is not confined to those nations who invaded (9/11 pre-dates the war in Iraq). It says that our operations against AQ may be percieved as inflaming the terrorist threat, but without those operations terrorism would be free to flourish and strike at will. In other words fighting AQ has been beneficial as many attacks have been thrawted, though it is impossible to prevent every attack.

Terrorism by AQ wont stop untill every western influence is removed from the muslim world, the US breaks alience with Israel (which will create more terrorism against Israel itself) and all the muslim nations are turned into one. Either that or we destroy AQ, which seems the best option.

Why worry about the implications of inflaming terrorism when we should be worryign about the threat at hand? If a man was arrested who had info which could prevent an attack against the UK, should we treat him fairly and suffer the attack, or torture/interrogate him to prevent it.

Sort term we should do everything to prevent terrorist attacks. Long term we should do everything to combat the cause of terrorism.

Human rights should be respected. But not when it coud cost innocent lives.

[Worthers Original]

The new Spanish Government have said that they will withdraw their troops from Iraq if power isn't handed over in June and have attacked Bush/Blair and the invasion of Iraq. So not cowtowing to terrorist demands at all there then. In the next breath their new Prime Minister is saying that they will continue waging their war against International Terrorism. I guess conceding to terrorist demands could be considered one sort of tactic in the fight against terrorism.

Talk about spitting on the graves of those that died in Madrid.

[Sully]

Are you saying that if we stop operations against AQ and OBL they will simply stop?

Erm, I don't believe that I am

[Tom Dickson]

10 year old rations they dont know how good it was , when we worked down the pit 25 hours a day and had to get up half an hour before we went to bed just to get to work on time that was hard