Q what part of the good point raised about miscarriges of justice is incorrect or unrealistic in your views then? Its very easy to be a gobshite, if you wish to raise your alternative views then at least try to work out why yours are right.
Making someone die an extremely painful death - which is what the whole point of this program is about, finding a method that is not so inhumane - for a crime they did not commit and how are you any better from the murders etc. out there? If our justice system didn't makes so many mistakes in key cases they you could argue for the death penalty, but do look at all the people who would have been killed under your system suffering painful deaths for having commited no crime?
And what is wrong with giving them a humane way out, we're trying to claim we occupy the higher morale ground over these people, yet for nothing than can be seen but our kicks we want there exit from the world to be as painful as possible. How does this acchieve a thing? They will be dead, they couldn't reoffend if they wanted to, so the pain will not be neccesary to teach them not to reoffend. How would it act as a greater detterent to other peopl, 40 seconds of pain, or death, which is mor elikely to weigh on peoples minds?
As it is I don't think our system is capable of using capital punishment without killing an unacceptable number of innocent people. But even if it were, I see no reason that this should be an inhumane, we are taking their life, no further punishment is needed.
Not into death penalty, personally. I would prefer to see inhumane labour camps where the victims or families of victims can go and view the misery in which the inmates must live. They should be run like brutal boot camps of penal battalions, where the 99.9% who are guilty get what they justly deserve. Something along the lines of Devil's Island meets Colechester of the 1960's! The 0.01% who actually turn out to be innocent are then at least alive to be set free (and with a hefty cheque in hand and a resounding "sorry" from the Home Office, no doubt). It would also make for excellent "reality TV"!!! I'd also recommend a series of web cams dotted about the camp to educate the shyte heads of society and give 'em pause for thought.
Until the punishment fits the crime then this argument to continue, just how many murders are there that have been given a life sentence only to be released back into the community after five to seven years. Now to save giving life sentences for murder these days the charge is often reduced to manslaughter which allows these people to released even earlier into the community. If go out on an armed robbery you will get eight to ten years, if you shoot some one while trying to escape you get life in prison, but you are out in about eight years. So where is the deterrent in using guns or killing some one. In these cases if the chap is caught with the smoking gun then either shoot the sod or hang him and if you want some one to pull the lever all they have to do is to ask.
Q wrote:You and your kind make me sick Pinko!! Live in the real world mate!
Q
A jury of 12 of your peers have found you guilty of murdering an old lady in her flat. You didn't do it but can't prove it and the evidence all points to you.
Never mind. We'll all be thinking of you as you drop through the trap door.
At least you won't be feeling sick any more.
Oh, and never mind that your mum, dad, friends, missus and kids all believe you didn't do it. At least it will be a real comfort to them for the rest of their lives.
Tab wrote:Until the punishment fits the crime then this argument to continue, just how many murders are there that have been given a life sentence only to be released back into the community after five to seven years. Now to save giving life sentences for murder these days the charge is often reduced to manslaughter which allows these people to released even earlier into the community.
I agree with you Tab - but that's a different argument. Life should mean life [IMHO]. I can't believe that the jury has been out for two days on the Gary Newlove case in Warrington where a gang of yobs kicked him to death.
'Yeah, I kicked his head to a pulp Your Honour but I didn't mean to kill him - 'onest'
First of all would someone point out where i said they should die with a painful execution....no you can't because i didn't. That doesn't mean that i'd wouldn't give them a painless execution, depending on their crime, rape, torture, paedopholia all these would die nastily at my hands if i took the law into my own hands.
Nowadays what with DNA and the complex forensic science, the chances of getting an innocent party is very very low, so all that jury of 12 of your peers nonsense was relevant for the 90's back, but honsestly these days i don't think that would ever happen. I must admit it made me laugh reading sisyphus's posting, so 1960's!!!
What i've got against life imprisonment for these scum, is the fact that us the tax payers, are paying to keep them in bloody luxury inside and as has been said before, they get released after a few years, even if they got life!! I must admit, i am pretty well interested by Anglo Saxons idea aslong as the tax payer didn't pay for the prisoners.
It also makes me laugh to be labelled a gobshite by several people here, what do you think i'm some mouthy 19 year old yob who's never worked a day in his life and steals to fund his drug habit, ha! gobshite, someone has a different opinion to yours and dares air it, ha! gobshite, ha!
I can remember back when you got hanged for killing some one, and murders where rare in those days. These days life seems pretty cheap on Britain's streets, lets face it we have only just been into the New Year a week and we have had almost a murder a day, or don't kids being stabbed to death get classed as murder.
Q wrote:I must admit it made me laugh reading sisyphus's posting, so 1960's!!!
Hey, Q!
I thought you were dead! How come you're still posting?
Never mind. Your dear mother will spend the rest of her life agonisingly trying to get the courts to reverse their decision, until she finally is laid to rest with her life's work a complete waste.
Still, as you say, scum like you shouldn't be kept in a life of luxury at the taxpayers expense, so that's all right then.
What did you say? You're not scum, you didn't do it? Sorry: dead men can't speak.
