Training on how to jump from high heights into water...

[CharlieCharlie]

Do you know of any units in the military who train to jump off high heights (i.e. 10+ metres) into water. I'm not referring to parachuting per se, however aspects of the landing could be relevant. I'm talking more about the Marines/SBS/SAS jumping off the back of boarded boats, into the sea, when an op goes tits up - and the training that they receive to do so.

Does anyone know anything about this? Is it the realms of PTIs or some other form of instructor? Do people receive instruction at all or just advice from their peers?

I need to find out as it relates very strongly to my injury and could be useful in the future for helping others avoid similar injuries...

Cheers,
Charlie

[Tab]

Now whats the height of the Olympics high diving boards

[Artist]

Lost here. What are you going on about?

You jump into the Oggin wearing FFO and Rig during Commando training. But why anyone would want to jump from 10 metres and above is beyond me unless your on a ship and the buggers sinking.

Artist

[xcj]

is it not a method used by the SBS, to jump out the back of a helicopter into the sea?

Ive no idea what height the helicoptr would hover at, but it cant be too low for obvious reasons... correct me if im wrong

[sneaky beaky]

The helicopters that the SBS use, would be down to almost sea level, before they pushed the troops out!
The heli pilots are absolutley brilliant - and they are SF trained.
Sneaky

[CharlieCharlie]

Lost here. What are you going on about?

Just curious to find out who jumps off high heights into water? And if they receive training to do so, or just some advice from an old hand?

That's all my question is really.

[flo]

Charlie your profile says you are going to be medically discharged from the Army . Id like to think that your not going to sue the Army , monies stretched as it is, and with the lads in major hot spots right now i would like to think that nobody with any conscience would take money for an injury received whilst people are struggling with little or old equipment.

Forgive me if im wrong

[CharlieCharlie]

Charlie your profile says you are going to be medically discharged from the Army . Id like to think that your not going to sue the Army , monies stretched as it is, and with the lads in major hot spots right now i would like to think that nobody with any conscience would take money for an injury received whilst people are struggling with little or old equipment.

Forgive me if im wrong

Interesting question and one that I have debated about at great length.

If you were injured in the course of duty would you not expect to have the costs of your new (and impaired) life met by the military? Your wheelchair, your crutches, your adapted bathroom, your medication, your hospital admissions? Then what about your inability to have to children, your inability to travel long distances, to do the sports you used to do? All of these factors (and many more) are frequently thrown at those who are medically discharged.

You also have to consider that monies for equipment and pensions do not come from the same budget.

If you could honestly look me in the eye and say that the paltry pension one may receive will cover the above costs then I would consider your argument; however, I doubt you could.

We serve our country with pride and dignity. It is only right that those who suffer as a result of that service are compensated accordingly. Does £5000 a year cover the above? I would strongly suggest that it does not.

Am I claiming compensation? Not at present. If my pension is what I believe it should be then I will have no need to follow such a route; however, if the bureaucrats try to screw me over then I will seek what I believe I am entitled to.

For the time-being, I am working with a unit to devise an advice and training package relating to bridge-jumping on adventurous training. Hence this thread.

[flo]

Then i take my hat off ref your last comment about devising a training package. My gripe is that i am sick to the back teeth of people ( and this includes wifes getting boob jobs through the Army system) who see fit to sue at the drop of a hat if they think that funds will be made available to them. I do however believe that if the medical implications are justified (as your so obviously is) then that is a different ball game completely.

I have a bee in my bonnet over this issue due to seeing my other half go out to Theatre with inadequate equipment and whilst he was earning the queens shilling i knew 4 wifes who played the depression card and had plastic surgery for their own selfish gain paid for through the military. But i also blame the system for making very easy to obtain the funding (which must come out the over all defence budget).

[CharlieCharlie]

Then i take my hat off ref your last comment about devising a training package.

Both the Army and my Regiment have been fantastic since my injury, for which I am most grateful and have been very keen to give something back for that support.

My gripe is that i am sick to the back teeth of people ( and this includes wifes getting boob jobs through the Army system) who see fit to sue at the drop of a hat if they think that funds will be made available to them.

I don't personally know of many people doing so and am sorry to hear that it sounds as frequent as you suggest it is.

I do however believe that if the medical implications are justified (as your so obviously is) then that is a different ball game completely.

My above list was only the start of the implications upon my life!! I'm not bitter or angry at all for what happened to me; I just strongly believe that our troops should be properly looked after before ops, during ops and after as well. How many soldiers are going to do what you ask if there's no medevac plan? What if you extend that medevac plan beyond just the injury to the rest of the person's life? If I thought I'd be completely dumped upon leaving the military with an injury then I'd never have put myself in the position I did in the first place...

I must admit that I'm not sure how the finances between operations and pensions work. They're separate but I'm not sure at what level that separation takes place (i.e. whether it's all within the military budget or split between military and a government pensions department).

[flo]

Well you are obviously a surviver and are most welcome on these forums.

Its nice to know that some people get on with their life irrespective of what life throws at them. Its so much better than sitting in an armchair feeling sorry for yourself and blaming the world.

[Artist]

Charlie

Good on you for your stance. But I still can't work out what your going on about ref jumping into the Oggin.

Artist

[Alfa]

Try doing a search for cliff divers (I think that's what they're called), these guy's basically jump off huge cliff faces into the sea below. Because of the hights they obviously don't jump head first so they make sure they land feet first.

If you search around on the net I'm sure you'll find some kind of forum for them and they will probably know better than anyone the best techniques.

Here's a link to a site I just found after a quick search on google (I simply typed in cliff diving) to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

http://12feetunder.com/

[Boondocksaint375]

helo casting isnt anything new. Its just another quick way for infiltration.

[CharlieCharlie]

helo casting isnt anything new. Its just another quick way for infiltration.

???

Casting = ? And to infiltrate what?